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127. ez4u vs topazg

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Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:18 am
by topazg
Looks like this is the only really bad trap:

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . 5 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X 4 1 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X W O 2 3 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other than that, I just need eyes :(

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:23 am
by Psychee
cdybeijing wrote:
:clap:

This game is highly instructive.

I would have never thought of Q6 following Topazg's response, and then after the local tenuki, I surely would never have considered following up with a distant shoulder play.

I would really love to find a way to be more creative in my play.


Indeed, highly instructive. :clap:

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:47 am
by Solomon
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think this move is better, no?

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . 9 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . 5 X 7 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X 3 O 6 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . O 1 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 4 2 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . W X W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:55 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 9 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'll wedge and, if you atari, connect.

The trigger at "a" below from topazg would offer more immediate damage to the corner but would leave White thinner. I assume that Black will connect rather than allow a White atari at 4. I want to play :w5: below both flattening the right side and starting to connect the stones in the lower right.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . a . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:10 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, yeah, sounds good to me :)

I feel like I'm let off somehow. I definitely have two eyes, although it's a bit harder to see how I'm going to keep those lower right stones in trouble. Still, I'm picking up points.

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:16 pm
by ez4u
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:26 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This one's complicated, but while there's a lot of reading to follow, this one I'm certain on. What I do next depends on what choice he makes next move :)

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:42 am
by ez4u
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Automatic

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:34 am
by gowan
Araban pointed out a good move for Black that topazg apparently didn't see. It seem that ez4u did see it, though, and didn't play the way topazg expected. So topazg feels he was "let off". Hasn't that sort of thing happened to us all? We read out (mistakenly) that we would be in trouble if our opponent played a certain move but our opponent sees a refutation of the move that we didn't see and doesn't play it. We then, confusedly, heave a sigh of relief.

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:17 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this is somewhat more passive than I was originally intending on. I'd been hoping for double hane, but I think I'm a move or so behind where I need to be:

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[go]$$Bcm65 White has too many liberties
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 7 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also wondered about this yucky shaped abomination:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . b O a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With a rather cute miai of "a" and "b", this felt pretty dangerous. The downside is, it's gote, and I think there are bigger moves on the board right now. There also some really messy resistance attempts (such as if White response with "b"), and my cutting points are awkward too. I don't want to have to needlessly abandon N14 and P13.

So, I'm connecting solidly, nothing wrong with honte I say!

The sequence I thought he might make with his lower stone after he played Q6 is now a bit worrying:

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 3 O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Suddenly, it's easy to see how White make a bunch of points in the middle. However, I've made a good 35 around these edges, so I can't really complain. The move I want to get in is this one:


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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . 7 a . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . b O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 3 O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now, in my limited mind, if he blocks at "a", it makes the G16 move feel a bit slow and overconcentrated, and I'm happy with the work G17 has done. If he blocks at "b", it feels even worse, as I get to connect underneath!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 7 . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X X O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either way, this looks like it may be worth taking sente for.

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:04 am
by Kirby
gowan wrote:
Araban pointed out a good move for Black that topazg apparently didn't see. It seem that ez4u did see it, though, and didn't play the way topazg expected. So topazg feels he was "let off". Hasn't that sort of thing happened to us all? We read out (mistakenly) that we would be in trouble if our opponent played a certain move but our opponent sees a refutation of the move that we didn't see and doesn't play it. We then, confusedly, heave a sigh of relief.


This type of thing happens to me sometimes. Last week around Thursday, I think, I played a game where my opponent resigned after a big fight in the middle. I thought that he had a move that would let his group be free - and that it would be a close game after that.

When the game had finished, I was typing something along the lines of, "Thanks for playing. It seems like I'm in trouble if you play <some coordinate>, though". But, my opponent left before I had finished typing.

When I reviewed the game, it turns out that the "refutation" that I had thought of didn't really work, and my opponent had seen this, whereas I had not.

Sometimes in situations like this, when I do win, I really wonder if I deserved it.

It also makes me wonder if I should keep trying to play when I feel the situation is hopeless... It's hard for me to say.

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:27 pm
by ez4u
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This leaves me with the fewest weaknesses in this area. I assume Black wants to tenuki next to play on the left. At that point we will have to assess the board as a whole. I have not really been doing that recently.

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:31 pm
by Kirby
@ez4u:
I think that your :w66: is an example of a move that takes away weakness in the area. It feels like a good and honest move.

I feel that I have difficult consciously deciding to make just about any move that I fear might end in gote (unless it clearly has to do with a local life & death scenario, perhaps).

What gives you the mindset to sometimes take gote in order to get a thick position?

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:03 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, there's my move. Time to take a big risk, and put the ball completely in Dave's court. Basically, I've got more cash than he has, and I'm trying to make sure it stays that way, even though the flipside is his central potential will be way bigger than mine. In honesty, I wanted all of these:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X a X O . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . c . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 7 . . . O . d . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . |
$$ | . 7 . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . |
$$ | . . b . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I can't get them. The one in the lower right is big as it prevents his "save my stone-uji" and minimises any value that he can get from his thickness. It's a lot bigger than it looks. The middle upper one prevents him from cutting me completely with "a", and so it's big from that perspective too, especially as I fear "a" may be sente. The lower left fixes some of my problems in that area completely, and after he takes "b" I get to take "c" and I'm completely settled with central access. I can't afford to take "b" instead, because the damage to my two stones on the left is huge. The top left I chose because it's huge, and he can eat my single stone at G17 and make a big corner all in one move if I don't do something soon, so I figure it's just about big and urgent enough to pip the others. "d" I just included as a connection tesuji for my right hand side that I hope to get one day, but it's gote and basically just relatively big endgame.

Game on, let's see if I die big somewhere :)

Re: 127. ez4u vs topazg

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:18 pm
by Loons
@Topazg
1) What sequence are you anticipating top left? (3-3 invasions tend to be pretty established, right?)

2) What do you expect in bottom left, afterward/later?
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