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Re: The Passing of Go superiority in East Asia
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:44 am
by oren
SmoothOper wrote:And well the Japanese are definitely doing not as well, and whether or not this is due to their inflated traditional handicap system remains an open question.
Actually, it's not an open question. It's a funny joke though.

I think Mef's got something with the baseball.
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:17 am
by EdLee
Alguien wrote:someone who believes the sun is an alien spaceship.
You mean it's not?!

Re: The Passing of Go superiority in East Asia
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:18 pm
by Phelan
This is my first and last post here. SmoothOper tried to start a Pro-Java/Anti-Java war in another thread, with just about the same method. I'd do the same here that was done on the other thread: split it.
Re: The Passing of Go superiority in East Asia
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:32 am
by kivi
SmoothOper wrote:Mef wrote:... upstart challenger Go Seigen in what would later be dubbed "The Game of the Century" - he wins, but barely. ... this is the beginning of the end for Japanese go. The strongest players are hit first and hardest, as exemplified by breaking Cho Chikun's winning streak in the Kisei title. He will not fully recover for nine years. ...
I think it is interesting to note that Go Seigen was Chinese and that Cho Chikun was Korean, perhaps Japan for what ever reason can no longer attract the top talent.
Xie Yimin and Cho U are Taiwanese who became pro in Japan. I think Korean and Chinese do not have a reason to go to Japan anymore as their own pro scenes are competitive and fruitful. Taiwan not so much, so I guess it makes sense for Xie Yimin and Cho U to go abroad.
Re: The Passing of Go superiority in East Asia
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:00 am
by jts
kivi wrote:SmoothOper wrote:Mef wrote:... upstart challenger Go Seigen in what would later be dubbed "The Game of the Century" - he wins, but barely. ... this is the beginning of the end for Japanese go. The strongest players are hit first and hardest, as exemplified by breaking Cho Chikun's winning streak in the Kisei title. He will not fully recover for nine years. ...
I think it is interesting to note that Go Seigen was Chinese and that Cho Chikun was Korean, perhaps Japan for what ever reason can no longer attract the top talent.
Xie Yimin and Cho U are Taiwanese who became pro in Japan. I think Korean and Chinese do not have a reason to go to Japan anymore as their own pro scenes are competitive and fruitful. Taiwan not so much, so I guess it makes sense for Xie Yimin and Cho U to go abroad.
The real issue is Taiwan's dominant performance in youth baseball. So long as they were consistently winning the little league world series, it was inevitable that they would have to send their best Go-playing youngsters abroad to study.
Re: The Passing of Go superiority in East Asia
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:05 am
by SmoothOper
Phelan wrote:This is my first and last post here. SmoothOper tried to start a Pro-Java/Anti-Java war in another thread, with just about the same method. I'd do the same here that was done on the other thread: split it.
I went ahead marked this post as off topic since there is obviously no effort to tie in Phelan's association with anything that pertains to the thread. Thanks for playin.