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#182 Nathan vs. lesenv

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Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:09 am
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I believe this last move was a mistkae by white,

my response may be an overplay but I think i need to overplay a bit in handi games so ill give it a try

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:37 pm
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:42 pm
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm44 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . 4 O 8 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:02 pm
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

first i was sure i wanted to atari :w49: Q5, but when i looked at those options i realized when white extends regardless of which direction, i'll play at the bottom-right corner. it would be the same next move, so i thought don't play 1-2-3, just play 3. and i like it better, because white is split and have to defend 2 groups. i hope i will get something good out of this...

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:35 pm
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this creates the best shape while splitting black but it does not look like an easy fight up ahead

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:09 am
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . , . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my first instinct was to play on the other side. but this :bc: will be easily cut off.
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[go]$$W1
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . 5 B . . . . |
$$ . . . . 4 3 6 8 . . |
$$ . . . . X 1 7 O 9 . |
$$ . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ , . . O O O X X . . |
$$ . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------[/go]

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:34 am
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm52 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . 4 . . O O O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok so i have two weak groups, I feel this one is more important and allows me to put pressure on two of blacks groups, while on top my stones are lighter and i still have a peep. I considered the third line move to settle more but if possible i want to split black and make the game complicated.

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:30 am
by lesenv
first i wanted to play a forcing move on the bottom but i think it would have been better for white if he got to strengthen the bottom group in sente.

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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:33 pm
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry I havent been responding, I dont know why but I have some wierd issue with playing these moves, ill try and do better

Not sure if this is ideal because white has a strange shape, but hopefully something will work out, sorry for the weak malkoviching

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 12:46 am
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No problem, I was ill. Now I'm better. Let's play some go... ;-)
Only move. Keep the 2 groups disconnected.

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Tue May 28, 2013 3:58 pm
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hey sorry, I lost track with the break, I'll finish up the game if you want.


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Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Thu May 30, 2013 9:24 am
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . 5 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hm, 2 options for white (as long as i see): he could try to settle the Q5-stones in whch case i'll chase him a bit to grow the middle naturlly and then try to kill the bottom group. or he could cut at O7 (i believe this is more probable), then i'll N7 to save my 3 stones and then move to kill the 4 stones.
i'm impatient to see which trick he has up in his sleeve...

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:17 am
by Nathan
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . 5 1 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hopefully with teh o7 cut and q7 peep i can manage to make this group live

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:29 pm
by Phoenix
Nathan wrote:Hopefully with teh o7 cut and q7 peep i can manage to make this group live


...And then what? :-?

Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:02 am
by lesenv
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[go]$$Bcm56 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . 5 1 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X 2 4 O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . 4 . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 1 . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O X . . O . . O O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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hmmm, i think white lives. what a shame... but i hope either the bottom or the right side will be invadable. or at least weakened.
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