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38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:52 pm
by Zwergesel
Laman wrote:my alfa-beta prunning sometimes makes me miss something important :). luckily this wasnt the case


Alfa-beta pruning only cuts off unimportant branches. If you're missing something important you should tune your evaluation function!

SCNR ;)

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:00 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #75 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:43 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #76 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i wonder what is whites plan here. probably making aji or reducing my development, i dont really know...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1: a or b miai
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . a 2 b . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2: another continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:19 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #77 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . 3 . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:22 am
by Magicwand
i will try to teach the rhythm and flow in this thread.
white has some influence in the middle and can try to make some point off that by making a boundary. but i wont play such dull moves because it doesnt have any flow or rhythm.

i probed on left to bulid more threatening influence and now attacking the weak black group. if i can build some more influence and gain sente then i can make bigger boundary.
that is what we call rhythm and flow. it is like a beautiful music that resembles the flow of water (professionals might disagree but i think it was ok sequence).

reason why i put this thread:
i have seen toomany kyu level players who will simply make a boundary and make few points and satisfied. i wish they try to look for this flow i explained above. it will make you stonger faster. i hope it helps.

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:27 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #80 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

oh, i hate this. at first sight i was sure my stones were perfectly safe, but i am not fancy to prove it... white will block F5 and i will most likely have to jump to H8, everything other seems to end in hell and this also isnt something i would be proud of. i can feel now how my stones are heavy and ineffective, i feel i am not doing very well

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:31 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #81 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . W X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:30 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . B . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

it is pain. i hope i will survive some way, otherwise it is bad.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1: one possibility
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . B . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 1 2 . 4 . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 3 . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:33 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #82 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . W . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:59 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #84 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . B . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:10 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #85 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #86 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X 7 . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 4 X 6 8 . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . 2 3 9 . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 5 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:25 am
by Harleqin
I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:56 am
by Zwergesel
Harleqin wrote:I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:10 am
by Laman
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[go]$$Wcm77 Move #86 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hmmm, not many moves ago i believed i can win quite easily and now i have been almost ready to resign. after long thinking it seems that by this move i can connect to the right or eat two white stones K5-K6 to live on my own. i might have to give up my four stones around N8, but cant be helped
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . W . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . X 9 X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O 1 3 5 7 X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O B 2 4 6 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O 0 X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:37 am
by Harleqin
Zwergesel wrote:
Harleqin wrote:I have no idea why Black did not hane here; it separates White:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 1 . . . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I would expect the following continuation:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . 5 9 . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 3 4 . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X 8 . B 1 2 . O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 7 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't look good for black!
If :b6: at :w9: then white can capture the :bc: stone! I'm not sure if that is any better for black!


My idea was rather to force a connection like this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . , . C O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . b . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . 9 0 . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . 4 7 8 . a . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . B 1 5 6 O . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O X X X O . C . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 3 O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to admit, though, that the separation on the left side is only of temporary nature then.

I just thought that there has to be a better way than to run into White's central stones. I am not sure whether this is realistic, or even whether it is better than the game.
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