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#204 Annihilist vs Otenki

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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:08 am
by otenki
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[go]$$Bm41 Game
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



So I want my stones to stay connected.
I can do it with an empty triangle which is pretty ugly or I can do it with a contact move which makes stronger.

For beginners: shoulder hits are also contact moves. There are indeed not really touching but kindoff demand response.

I guess I'll go for the contact move instead of the bad shape.

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:53 am
by Uberdude
otenki wrote:For beginners: shoulder hits are also contact moves. There are indeed not really touching...


Errr, no they aren't as they aren't touching :-?

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:41 pm
by Annihilist
Argh. I'm slipping. I saw this move, but didn't see it. I can't make enough gains in the corner to justify invading yet.

Will have a move later.

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:00 pm
by EdLee
otenki wrote:For beginners: shoulder hits are also contact moves. There are indeed not really touching but...
If we define "touch" and "contact" to mean "to share one liberty with,"
then a shoulder hit in Go is not a touching or contact move.

However, in the normal English sense, it's not so easy to imagine
a non-touching, non-contact shoulder hit ? :)
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Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:41 pm
by jts
I think it's a semantic distinction. I've seen books define a shoulder hit as a contact move, on the grounds that after another stone is added, there will be two stones next to one stone.

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:43 pm
by Annihilist
I think it's *effectively* a contact move - keyword "effectively". Because while it does not physically contact the other stone, it does have the effect of a contact move, especially if the other player reacts with a stretch, in which case the position is identical. At least, that's what I heard.

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:22 am
by otenki
Hey Annihilist,

I was wondering if you were still playing this malkovich.
If not, just let me know.

Otherwise I'll be waiting for your next move :-)

Cheers,
Otenki

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:08 am
by Annihilist
Yes I am, sorry I've been quite busy recently.

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:08 pm
by Annihilist
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[go]$$Bm41 Game
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . O . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry about that. Life happened, lots of personal stuff got in the way.

This seems reasonable. I threaten to cut of his stones if he doesn't connect.

I'm tempted to try yet another invasion down the bottom, but I really can't tell yet how that would work out.

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:12 am
by otenki
Hey,

Sorry but I feel I cannot put enough time into this game in order to make it useful anymore.
A few other priorities have come up in my life and I just can't get the time in for the next 7 month.
I want to thank you for the game; good one.

Sorry.

Cheers,
Otenki

Re: #204 Annihilist vs Otenki

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:40 am
by Annihilist
That's perfectly fine, I understand. Thanks for the game in any case.
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