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Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:59 am
by emeraldemon
How was your trip?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 2 B O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 . . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 5 O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 7 . 3 4 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . 5 X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 B O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:16 pm
by tj86430
I'm still on it (returning on Saturday after spending two weeks in two different cabins in "wilderness"). So far the trip has been excellent, this has been the hottest summer ever in Finland)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O B . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may even be sente, which would be much more than I expected. Either way, this is my original plan to strengthen the upper left group and to create potential territory in the center.

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:27 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:44 pm
by tj86430
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . B . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can think of nothing bigger (please tell me later if there is something). This exceeds my expectations. I believe I have a good chance of winning this, although I haven't counted after the latest developments.

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:52 pm
by Chew Terr
My count has TJ slightly ahead, but it's a fairly iffy estimation. Seems like there's also a bit of wiggle room in the situation, with plenty of big endgame left.

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:12 pm
by topazg
I'd want to do something with this aji before it's all gone. Surely Black can get something on this edge?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . C . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . B O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:16 pm
by Chew Terr
Topazg:
Do you think it's worth white taking gote right now to fix it? If not, it may have been better for black to take the move he did, first, then return there to try to live?

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:20 pm
by topazg
Chew:

Certainly, Black's current move is gote, and it's big for White to fix. At the very least it removes 6+ bumper ko threats...

The area Black is walling off is still fairly reducable - It's undeniably big though :)

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:10 pm
by emeraldemon
It's VERY tempting to read all those comments. But I will be good :)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O 3 |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X 1 |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . B . O O . . . 2 |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


How much can I get in sente? I just played it out in the sgf editor, I think If I get everything I want in sente... I lose by one point :sad: .
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 7 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O 3 |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X 1 |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . B . O O . . 4 2 |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . 6 5 O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:21 am
by tj86430
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . B . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks better than S11

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:34 am
by tj86430
I took a new count, and I think I'm leading with a couple of points even if I get nothing from the bottom center. I believe I have good chance of winning this, if I don't make big mistakes in the endgame

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:55 pm
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Somewhat risky, since I'm not sure if this is actually sente. But the followup is pretty big:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 1 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X 2 5 6 O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . 7 X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . B . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 1 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X 2 4 . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . B . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:42 pm
by tj86430
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X B . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

More or less forced, I think

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:22 pm
by schilds
My feeling is that white should have cut back here.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . W X a . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)

Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:39 am
by emeraldemon
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X X . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . W . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X B . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . d . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . b . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . a O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


To me "a" looks like the biggest move. I can come back to "c" any time, because it's gote for black. "d" is important, but still a little too small right now. "b" is pretty close, but not quite as big I don't think:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . O X B . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . X O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O O |
$$ | . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . X . O O . . . X |
$$ | . . . , O X X X . , . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . X O O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . 1 2 4 . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . 3 X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . W O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


if Black tries to push in with this move on the left, I can trade damage I think. "a" on the lower right ruins any chance of black points on the bottom, although it will still be tough to push into the center, If black gets that point I will have only a few points on that side. The question is, can I get "b" in sente before coming to "a"? I think yes. Even though "a" is bigger, "b" is more likely to be sente, so I'll play it first and then come back.