[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 O X 1 . 3 . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To me it seems to keep black separated and at least somewhat wulnerable
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:09 pm
by Chew Terr
"wow..did he just gave me sente? the game is over..." "Did... he just... take gote?Man... I feel like I've already won."
One of the most confusing things about listening to stronger players talk is how confident they are when they disagree with each other.
Oh, and TJ, the best I can think of is it might force black to capture R12, giving strength on the outside and sealing white's corner more soundly? But that's just supposition. You could probably ask MW now, as the option's no longer there.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:12 pm
by daniel_the_smith
The comments in this game are hilarious.
@tj
I think black takes r13 in a ladder and white's group becomes quite weak, but I'm not 100% sure.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:14 pm
by shapenaji
tj86430 wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have been fairly good for Magicwand:
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 O X 1 . 3 . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X X O X O 2 O 1 4 . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X . X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:20 pm
by phrax
I have a positional question about this move. Killing white's group is big, but the side feels bigger to me. I'd think white playing around 'a' would be a bigger pain than the center group living. Am I just way off base on this?
Violence wrote:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:23 pm
by shapenaji
phrax wrote:
I have a positional question about this move. Killing white's group is big, but the side feels bigger to me. I'd think white playing around 'a' would be a bigger pain than the center group living. Am I just way off base on this?
Violence wrote:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . B . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . a . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As an addition to what shapenaji said, the low white stones on both sides make the side a lot smaller for white than if one of the stones was on the fourth line. Fourth line is for growing and engulfing more, whereas third line is better for settling, but it doesn't expand as well.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:34 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if you dont attack your opponent right way you will lose points. that is exactly what is happening.. bad attack leaves aji so he doesnt even get influence out of that attack. i can feel that he is desperate. i think he will resign soon.
