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Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:58 am
by lapos
Hi everyone, I played go few years ago and I decided to play it again now that I have more time to do it. When I stopped I was 5k and I am now 6k? in kgs so I did not lose to much but I would like to know what I should study to improve my game. Indeed, it's really difficult to know by myself what are the kind of mistakes I do.
I give you two games I played these last days, one against a 7kyu and one against a 10kyu (with 4 handicaps). Even if I won both of them I know I made a lot of mistakes. Could you please tell me what are the kind of mistakes I do the most (to know what I should study now).
Thanks a lot !
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:12 pm
by tekesta
You did not play well. Rather, your opponents played badly. Comments on the 1st game:

invading corner @ c17 too early; only allows White to develop strong outer wall for influence. Playing this move at k4 is best if Black wants to play for influence; strong sanrensei formation. Otherwise, p17, d10, k17 are good points to play.

Better played @ r10. What did Black have in mind when playing this move at tengen?

This is why Black had to play

@ r10. After

White has a big moyo on the right side. This needs to be reduced.

With this move White stands to get lots of territory on the right side.

Playing @ l17 is no good, since friendly forces are too far away to make this move effective. Better to take gote and play @ c3. Slow, but it will fortify the position on the bottom left. A better point may be k12 or p11 to begin reducing White's big moyo.

Attaching to

only strengthens White in bottom left side. Play @ f9 is better to keep White invading stone isolated abd vulnerable to attack by Black.
In the 4-stone handi game, Black just didn't know how to play a game that takes full advantage of the handicap. For example, Black could've played @ k16 and d10 right away to increase influence. Also, Black got into a fight real early. Not a smart thing to do when playing Black with handicap; it helps White to settle her positions.
I could point out more mistakes, but it's late at night where I am and, after all, you asked on what areas in your baduk need improvement. Well, I cannot say just where you are weakest, but I can say that replaying pro games on a daily basis will prove useful in that regard. I cannot guarantee that your bad habits will disappear overnight, but you will develop an instinct for good play and your bad habits will fade away. (And let's not forget our puzzles!) Just keep in mind that baduk is about progress, not success. So... look forward to a long period of constant practice and refinement.
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:32 pm
by EdLee
Hi lapos, welcome back.
Game 1.

Not sure about this move. If

simply jumps to F10, how do you feel about this exchange.

can you find another local (lower right corner) move ?
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:09 am
by lapos
tekesta : Thanks for your comment, but did you see I was white and not black in game 1 ? It seems to me that your comment is more about my opponent mistakes. As for watching pro games, is there some "classic" games everyone should see ?
EdLee : Is it not the common way to use the wall I developped ? If not black would play something like d13 no ?
If I play

and black play d13 is it not a waste of my potential ?
I would say p4 instead of

but I am not skilled enough to read everything after (the goal would be to cut in r4 after).
Ps: Because EdLee seems to edit his post I will do the same to not pollute the thread.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:11 am
by EdLee
Hi lapos, if you want to do something with your stones, why not on

? Instead of later.
For example, instead of

, B could have played on the left side -- like

-- to neutralize your stones.
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:47 am
by EdLee
lapos wrote:I would say p4 instead of

but I am not skilled enough to read everything after (the goal would be to cut in r4 after).
I was referring to

, not

.
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:46 am
by lapos
Well then I would say R3 but I'm not sure if I can live if black connect.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:46 am
by EdLee
lapos wrote:Well then I would say R3 but I'm not sure if I can live if black connect.
Did you consider any other local moves ?
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:52 am
by lapos
S6 with the cut in r4 if white tenuki ? Is not it yose ?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:11 am
by EdLee
lapos wrote:S6 with the cut in r4 if white tenuki ? Is not it yose ?
So you're getting close -- keep trying.
You seem to be
guessing.
Instead,
find a sequence that's definitely good for W, locally.
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:08 am
by lapos
Ok I found Black p4, white q3 (because if not black atari in r4 and kill the stones) then black p3 and every variation I made was good for white at the end. Was it this move ?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:39 pm
by EdLee
lapos wrote:Ok I found Black p4, white q3
It's W's turn on

, not B's.
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:19 am
by lapos
I just inverted black and white, so it would be white p4, black q3 (because if not white atari in r4 and kills the stones) then white p3 and the result is good for white.
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:13 pm
by EdLee
lapos wrote:I just inverted black and white, so it would be white p4, black q3...
So,

wedges P4, and then ?
Re: Playing go after a break of few years, need advice
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:26 pm
by lapos
Then

p3 and all the results are good for white.