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#245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:50 pm
by paK0
I'll gladly take Kirby's challenge.
We never said anything about the books. I'm currently going through 38 basic Joseki(and I would like to keep doing that), so make of that what you will and adjust your used ressources accordingly
Anyways, I wish you the best of luck and hope we will have a fun game =)
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Gameplan: Don't make any mistakes and crush him
Ok, on a more serious note, this is gonna be difficult. I don't really know too much about Kirby's strength, but if he is 9 ranks stronger then me, 9 stones is hard, since I feel that every rank difference is more valuable than the previous one. But I'll try to not get discouraged, right now I'm ahead, so lets do this!
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:49 pm
by Uberdude
My tip: for each move, show at least 2 alternatives you considered, and why you rejected them and picked your move. Best of luck!
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:10 pm
by Kirby
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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:15 pm
by Bill Spight
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:50 pm
by EdLee
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:34 pm
by Bill Spight
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:25 am
by paK0
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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:14 am
by moyoaji
Kirby seeks to play this without overplaying. A calm style for handicap games can be refreshing for white and quite educational for black. It is my preferred way to play as white in a handicap game.
paK0 has chosen a very standard response, and it is a very good one. Most resources I have seen on handicap go recommend this kick in 9 stone games. The Second Book of Go has a chapter on handicap games and shows this possible result:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Common 9-stone handicap openingFrom my understanding this result is basically fine for both sides, but I personally dislike this for white. It feels like you are following your opponent, especially the
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exchange. I have a feeling Kirby will not play this way, but if he wants to play proper, calm moves then this is an option. I am 90% sure that he will at least stand at
. The only other option for normal moves would be a one-point jump to P14. Ignoring a kick would be reckless.
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:55 am
by Kirby
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His play is good, and probably what I would play as black. There are a few options I considered here.
First, I could tenuki, and see how he responds in another area of the board. For example, I could approach another corner, or even double approach to try to make things more complicated:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Here, maybe I could aim for something like this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc I could get territory this way, but what value did I get from my approach stones? If I only try to get territory right now, I will lose.
Similarly, I could try another response to the kick:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc But he can easily either fight:
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So, I will just play a standard response. The approach stones have gotten stronger. There is still an open 3-3 invasion, and I have some flexibility in playing later.
The biggest disadvantage to playing in this common way is that it is common enough that my opponent may know how to respond well since it's common handicap pattern. He must make mistakes for me to win this game...
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:00 am
by paK0
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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:48 am
by Kirby
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He made a standard response... Which means, I'm still at huge disadvantage. Probably, I should just be patient.
My current plan is to put pressure on the right stone, for example, as follows:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc The idea is not to kill the stone, but to get some sort of profit from attacking, to offset the huge disadvantage I have with 9 stones.
Later, I can invade around the 3-3 if I want, or I can move out my two stones.
My first thought is to approach in the same way, but since he seems to like this kicking, it'd probably go like this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc That seems OK, too... But I feel it's a little easy for black - he has better profit in the bottom right this way. So I want to play a slightly less common approach move - maybe he'll do something unexpected, which would be cool.
Right now, I am behind, but probably I just have to be patient. He'll have to make a mistake at some point. The question is, will I be able to profit from it enough?
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:11 am
by paK0
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:33 am
by paK0
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Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:34 am
by Kirby
Re: #245 Kirby vs. paK0
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:54 am
by Uberdude
If I want some variety I sometimes play this:
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exchange. I have a feeling Kirby will not play this way, but if he wants to play proper, calm moves then this is an option. I am 90% sure that he will at least stand at 
. The only other option for normal moves would be a one-point jump to P14. Ignoring a kick would be reckless.