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low pincer, descent after attach
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:29 am
by emeraldemon
What do you think about this descent for black? How would you respond as white?
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Re: low pincer, descent after attach
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:36 am
by Uberdude
q16 and then black should probably play r13 and it reverts to the more common joseki where black plays r13 first.
Re: low pincer, descent after attach
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:58 am
by emeraldemon
In the game I played black responded this way:
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If white connects here it seems worse than the other joseki
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I was thinking about some kind of sacrifice strategy, but I'm not sure...
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Re: low pincer, descent after attach
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:47 am
by Uberdude
Yes taking the outside thickness is a good idea, but play 4 at 6 directly, it's a difference of almost a move as black will need to come back and cut and then you can play a better move than dieing in gote in the corner.
Re: low pincer, descent after attach
Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:28 pm
by MMaestro
I would just answer at P18 and make miai of S17 and L17. But the variation you give is possible too. Hane at 6 directly is better as uberdude says. Because after the cut, W can descend to R18 to make better use of the corner aji.