Life In 19x19

1st round Pairing for main tournament,



Won Seongjin vs Yuki Satoshi
Park Junghwan vs Tan Xiao
Choi Cheolhan vs Takao Shinji
Lee Donghoon vs Hane Naoki
An Jeongli(a) vs Chen Yaoye
Ko Keuntae vs Shi Yue
Kim Jiseok vs Fan Yunruo
Peng Liyao vs Wi Jungchi(?????)
Lee Jihyun vs Tang Weixing
Kim Myunghoon vs Zhou Ruiyang
Park Younghoon vs Huang Yunsong
Lee Changho vs Lin Junyan
Na Hyun vs Gu Li
Byun Sangil vs Ke Jie
Lee Sedol vs Tuo Ziashi
Kang Dongyoon vs Li Kang

Preliminary ---> http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 13&t=11730


Round of 32 - 16; 6/8/15 and 6/10/15
Round of 8 - 4; 11/16/15 and 11/18/15
Final; 3/8/16, 3/10/16 and 3/11/16

Peng Liyao's opponent is Yu Zhengqi, who takes over Cho U's place.

Choi Cheolhan is playing using wheel chair instead of regular chair.
He was injured while he was playing soccer.

Choi delayed his surgery to play this tournament.

1st round;
Won Seongjin defeated Yuki Satoshi by resign.
Park Junghwan defeated Tan Xiao by resign.
Choi Cheolhan defeated Takao Shinji by 0.5.
Lee Donghoon defeated Hane Naoki by 2.5.
An Jeongki(a) defeated Chen Yaoye by resign.
(First amatuer ever reached round of 32.)
Shi Yue defeated Ko Keuntae by resign.
Kim Jiseok defeated Fan Yunruo by resign.
Yu Zhengqi defeated Peng Liyao by resign.
Lee Jihyun defeated Tang Weixing by resign.
Kim Myunghoon defeated Zhou Ruiyang by resign.
Park Younghoon defeated Huang Yunsong by resign.
Lin Junyan defeated Lee Changho by resign.
Gu Li defeated Na Hyun by resign.
Ke Jie defeated Byun Sangil by resign.
Tuo Jiaxi defeated Lee Sedol by resign.
Kang Dongyoon defeated Li Kang by resign.


2nd round - 6/10/15 (Korean time)

Well done An Jeongki for beating Chen Yaoye 9p, not just amateur beating a pro but one of the top dozen pros in the world! Pic (and past victims) here http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 23#p186323. Who is he playing next?

Uberdude wrote:Well done An Jeongki for beating Chen Yaoye 9p, not just amateur beating a pro but one of the top dozen pros in the world! Pic (and past victims) here http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 23#p186323. Who is he playing next?

It's even more impressive than an amateur who makes the Friday cut at a major golf tournament.

Group photo of players reached round of 16.

Pairing for round 16;

Won Seongjin vs Lin Junyan
Park Younghoon vs Park Junghwan
Kang Dongyoon vs An Jeongki(a)
Kim Myunghoon vs Tuo Jiaxi
Choi Cheolhan vs Ke Jie
Lee Jihyun vs Shi Yue
Lee Donghoon vs Yu Zhengqi
Kim Jiseok vs Gu Li

p.s. An Jeongki(a) accumulated 95 points by reaching round of 16.
100 points needed to become pro.

trout wrote:...

p.s. An Jeongki(a) accumulated 95 points by reaching round of 16.
100 points needed to become pro.

Can anyone explain what are the different ways that Korean amateurs can accumulate these points? Are they specific to certain tournaments? Are they accumulated across tournaments? Did An have a certain number before the LG Cup? Anything additional about the system really would be appreciated.

wineandgolover wrote: It's even more impressive than an amateur who makes the Friday cut at a major golf tournament.

I would say MUCH more impressive.

There are quite a few amateur "scratch" golfers out there. People who at some earlier stage in life decided that they didn't have enough talent to become a top pro and so would become a doctor, a lawyer, an army officer, or whatever instead of a club pro. Remember, just two par or just below rounds would likely make the cut.

Mike Novack wrote:

wineandgolover wrote: It's even more impressive than an amateur who makes the Friday cut at a major golf tournament.

I would say MUCH more impressive.

There are quite a few amateur "scratch" golfers out there. People who at some earlier stage in life decided that they didn't have enough talent to become a top pro and so would become a doctor, a lawyer, an army officer, or whatever instead of a club pro. Remember, just two par or just below rounds would likely make the cut.

I am sure you are right that it is much more impressive. However, I am pretty sure that most amateur golfers who make the cut are college students who will turn pro after finishing college. Pro-configured courses make a mockery of mortal weekend scratch golfers.

Anyway, we agree. Much.

wineandgolover wrote: I am sure you are right that it is much more impressive. However, I am pretty sure that most amateur golfers who make the cut are college students who will turn pro after finishing college. Pro-configured courses make a mockery of mortal weekend scratch golfers.
Anyway, we agree. Much.

Well not exactly what I was saying. And perhaps my sense of "how courses set up" differs because pof growing up next to a couple that were competition courses 20's-30's and not very different from then (because mostly in aspects of the designs that couldn't readily be made easier).

So no, I was meaning those college scratch golfers, many of whom will NOT end up turning pro but will instead choose to become professionals of another sort. Maybe they would have judged differently if they they thought they had enough talent to become a TOP pro, but sub-cultural values play a role in this too.

This isn't unlike the surprise for some of us when posted in another part of this forum that a certain professional football player was a published mathematician. HE chose to do professional sports first and academics on the side. But many/most in that situation might choose the other way around, especially when the sport is one regularly played at the amateur level. Such people are of course in demand as partners for pro-am events. And it's not only sports. Thus I knew a local (good sized) factory owner good enough to be invited to sit in when a big name jazz band was in town.

Mike Novack wrote: This isn't unlike the surprise for some of us when posted in another part of this forum that a certain professional football player was a published mathematician. HE chose to do professional sports first and academics on the side. But many/most in that situation might choose the other way around, especially when the sport is one regularly played at the amateur level. Such people are of course in demand as partners for pro-am events. And it's not only sports. Thus I knew a local (good sized) factory owner good enough to be invited to sit in when a big name jazz band was in town.

In all fairness, I think that surprise was due to the well known phenomenon of recruiting players to a university to play football who would not have been able to enroll there on academic merit alone, and then giving them easy classes that are very leniently graded to allow them to keep playing football. It doesn't happen all the time, but often enough...

ez4u wrote:

trout wrote:...

p.s. An Jeongki(a) accumulated 95 points by reaching round of 16.
100 points needed to become pro.

Can anyone explain what are the different ways that Korean amateurs can accumulate these points? Are they specific to certain tournaments? Are they accumulated across tournaments? Did An have a certain number before the LG Cup? Anything additional about the system really would be appreciated.

I'm not familiar with the system, but I did a google search, and found this doc describing "Improvements to the Pro Entrance System" (I grabbed the cached version, since it's an HWP file):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us

One section is outlined in that doc, which seems to describe the way you calculate points:

◈ 정기입단대회 시드 배정을 위한 포인트 산출방식

▹아마추어가 참가 가능한 모든 오픈기전에 한해 포인트 부여

▹포인트 누적 유효기한제 설정 : 유효기한 1년

예) 전년도 입단대회 후부터 당기 입단대회 전까지의

포인트만 유효

▹포인트 부여 방법

- 오픈기전 성적에 대해 아래의 포인트를 누적 부여함

* 아마추어 선발전 통과 : 5점

* 통합예선 : 승수 * 5점

* 본선 진출 : 10점 + 승수 * 20점

※ 특별입단제도와는 별개

Which basically seems to equate to the following (assuming I understand it correctly - feel free to correct me):

* You can accumulate points at any of the open tournaments where amateurs can play with pros for prize money.
* Points are valid for 1 year. So if you accumulated some points, but then more than a year has passed, you lose those points.
* For a given open tournament:
- If you pass the amateur selection for the tournament: 5 points
- Combined prelims: (multiplier) * 5 points
- Advance to the finals: 10 points + (multiplier) * 20 points


It's not clear to me how the multiplier is calculated, but I believe on another doc, I saw that if you pass 100 points, you're pro.

Kirby wrote:
* For a given open tournament:
- If you pass the amateur selection for the tournament: 5 points
- Combined prelims: (multiplier) * 5 points
- Advance to the finals: 10 points + (multiplier) * 20 points


It's not clear to me how the multiplier is calculated, but I believe on another doc, I saw that if you pass 100 points, you're pro.

Correction:
* For a given open tournament:
- If you pass the amateur selection for the tournament: 5 points
- Combined prelims: (Number of wins) * 5 points
- Advance to the finals: 10 points + (Number of wins) * 20 points

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■ 포인트 입단제도 개편

포인트 입단제도도 개편된다. 포인트 입단제도는 오픈기전에서 낸 성적을 합해 일정 점수가 되면 입단하는 방식으로, 이미 시행되고 있지만 더 새로운 방향으로 개편한다.

먼저 적용 기전이 늘어난다. 세계기전으로 출발한 오픈화 바람은 국내기전으로 이어졌는데 이를 더욱 장려해 향후 출범하는 새로운 오픈기전에도 모두 포인트를 부여한다는 방침이다. 이 밖에 아마기전인 국무총리배 세계아마선수권대회와 일본의 세계아마선수권대회에도 포인트를 부여하기로 했다.

부여되는 점수는 기존의 5점 입단방식을 100점 입단 방식으로 변경한다. 점수획득 방법을 세분화하겠다는 것이다. 획득할 수 있는 점수도 차등화한다. 기전별 진행 방식의 차이에 따라 나타나는 난이도에 따라 점수는 달라진다.

예를 들어 오픈기전인 제3회 비씨카드배를 보면 예선준결승은 5점, 예선결승은 10점, 64강은 20점, 32강은 40점, 16강은 60점, 8강은 100점인 식이다. 국무총리배 세계아마바둑선수권대회와 일본의 세계아마바둑선수권대회는 우승 시 40점을 부여한다(단, 대표 선발 시 연구생 참가에 제한이 있으면 50%를 부여한다). 이렇게 쌓은 포인트가 100점이 되면 입단이 확정되는 방식이다. 이상과 같이 변경되는 포인트 입단제도는 2010년 12월 1일부터 적용된다.

기존에 이미 포인트 입단제도가 시행되고 있었으므로 소급 적용도 있다. 오픈기전의 경우 2010년 12월 1일 이전 획득한 포인트는 20배로 환산하여 인정하고, 국무총리배 세계아마바둑선수권대회와 일본의 세계아마바둑선수권대회의 경우는 2010년 12월 1일 이전 우승자는 50%를 인정하여 1회 당 20점을 부여하기로 했다.

한국기원은 세부 변경 사항에 관해선 나중에 추가로 공지하겠다고 밝혔다.

[관련 링크 : 한국기원 사이트 공지 ]

This article was published in 12/1/2010. So I am not sure if this is the latest and correct.

Winner of Open amateur tournament(KPMC, World Amateur tournament, and Japan world amateur tournament) will get 40 points.

And for open pro tournament(this doc gave BC card cup(defunct) as sample.),
semi-final of prelim - 5 points
final of prelim - 10 points
Main tournament;
round of 64 - 20 points
round of 32 - 40 points
round of 16 - 60 points
round of 8 - 100 points

Many open tournaments have different format so awarding points will
be different.
Also for points gotten before 12/1/2010, points gotten from open pro tournament will be multiplied by 20 and 50% of current points will be given for Open amateur tournament.

Very confusing !!!!!!!!

Thanks for the correction, trout.

In retrospect, it should have been obvious to me that 승수 is the number of wins. That makes a lot more sense.