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Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:05 pm
by wessanenoctupus
Black to live
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[go][sgf-small](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
PW[White]PB[Black]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[pd]
;W[rf]
;B[rc]
;W[qf]
;B[qc]
;AB[nd]
;W[ne]
;B[]
;W[nf]
;B[]
;W[me]
;B[]
;W[le]
;B[]
;W[ld]
;B[]
;W[lc]
;B[]
;W[ob]
;AE[qd]
)[/sgf-small][/go]

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:30 pm
by wessanenoctupus
well escape...

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:55 pm
by phillip1882
o18 looks like the move to me, i don't see how white can kill black after that but i maybe mistaken.

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:33 pm
by sybob
do you also provide solution?

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:02 pm
by Joelnelsonb
Black can't play o18 because white would play p17 and escape.

I don't see a way for black to survive without inferior play from white.

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:50 pm
by ez4u
How about the sequence below? All White's responses seem forced to prevent Black making a second eye. Black next connects at 'a' and has broken out. The key point is that there isn't space for a second eye in the corner but there seems to be just enough potential that Black can use to drive White along the way.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . X . X 4 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 7 8 0 . . |
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Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:44 am
by drmwc
Dave's reply seems to work.

This also occurred to me:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 4 . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . X 6 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 O O . |
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Next black plays at a, sacrifices some bits and gets a living shape in the corner. White has other replies e.g.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 2 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Next:
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[go]$$Bcm7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 1 3 . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And black seems to get a ko at least, so Dave's line is cleaner.

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:45 pm
by ez4u
drmwc wrote:Dave's reply seems to work.

This also occurred to me:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 4 . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . X 6 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 7 . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Next black plays at a, sacrifices some bits and gets a living shape in the corner...
Doesn't Black just solidly connect and capture 5 White stones 4 liberties to 3? ;-)

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:56 am
by skydyr
ez4u wrote:
drmwc wrote:Dave's reply seems to work.

This also occurred to me:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 4 . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O . X 6 X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Next black plays at a, sacrifices some bits and gets a living shape in the corner...
Doesn't Black just solidly connect and capture 5 White stones 4 liberties to 3? ;-)
Looks a bit like the 19-point trick play to me... Black gets a reasonable number of points in the corner, but white has forcing moves to seal him in painfully. White starts with the point below :b7: and then takes two moves on the left to force black to play inside for the semeai, and white seals black in sente.

Re: Go problem from my game tonight

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:05 am
by Uberdude
skydyr wrote: Looks a bit like the 19-point trick play to me... Black gets a reasonable number of points in the corner, but white has forcing moves to seal him in painfully.
Did you forget that in the 19-point trickplay both sides have played the same number of moves, but in this one white has 6 more stones?