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Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:02 pm
by hyperpape
That's right, I'm just assuming Myungwan will win. At least I think he's far enough ahead that this wouldn't be an interesting poll if you can vote for him (or you can write "other").

Yeah, I know the poll is late: we'll see who can vote before Monday.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:18 pm
by xed_over
hardly any names you listed are even playing in the open

my next guess might be Juyong Koh, or Yongfei Ge, or even Curtis Tang or Jianing Gan

but Juyong lost to Yongfei today, and Eric defeated both Curtis and Jianing.

Can Eric defeat Yongfei?

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:55 am
by hyperpape
I wrote the poll before the open started, so I had to guess about who would play. Mingjiu often plays, to take one instance.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:40 pm
by xed_over
Wow, Eric is doing awesome this year. He beat Yongfei Ge today.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:32 pm
by xed_over
And Eric just beat MingJiu in the Ing !!

Way to go Eric !!!

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:51 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My guess is Eric Lui.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:47 am
by xed_over
after round 4, looks like the contenders are:
Yongfei Ge, Eric Lui, Juyong Koh, Francis Meyer, and Jie Liang

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:48 am
by xed_over
And tonight's Ing final... Eric Lui vs Huiren Yang

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:07 am
by hyperpape
It's down to Francis Meyer and Jie Liang.

I believe Eric was leading in his game against Francis, but in the last byo-yomi of a marathon game, he overlooked an endgame tesuji to capture several stones that was worth 10-15 points gote.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:18 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
It was Meyer.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:31 pm
by hyperpape
Perhaps I should apologize to Meyer for sullying his name! He might well end up being the newest 9d after this tournament.

Spectators will now have to hunt for gossip about how he compared to the other insei while in Japan...

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:46 pm
by Horibe
hyperpape wrote:Perhaps I should apologize to Meyer for sullying his name! He might well end up being the newest 9d after this tournament.

Spectators will now have to hunt for gossip about how he compared to the other insei while in Japan...


Despite the Congress website and, I am told, Congress badges, the AGA does not have "9ds". 7d is the top. But there are some very strong 7d and he is certainly one.

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:18 pm
by xed_over
Horibe wrote:Despite the Congress website and, I am told, Congress badges, the AGA does not have "9ds". 7d is the top. But there are some very strong 7d and he is certainly one.

Well, rank and rating are often, and understandably confused and used interchangeably

The AGA rating database contains ratings, so I'm sure these were used when players signed up.

But you're correct, AGA amateur ranks are capped at 7d (to match the rest of the world)

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:27 pm
by hyperpape
Well, my understanding is that the AGA simply has no official ranks. 9d is a convenient shortcut for "rating of 9.x".

Re: Who Comes In Second In the US Open

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:38 am
by Horibe
hyperpape wrote:Well, my understanding is that the AGA simply has no official ranks. 9d is a convenient shortcut for "rating of 9.x".


The AGA calls a player a 5 dan, for example, if his or her rating is between 5.0 and 5.99etc. We have tournament sections by ranks - as in the the tournament you are discussing. However, it was decided that they would not equate players with ratings over 8 or 9 with the corresponding number. I do not think Europe has amatuer 8 dans, I believe only Japan has a few. So there is a range of 7 dans.

You are correct it is "convenient" but it is just as convenient if precision is needed to say "Andy Liu 8.7"

Actually the AGA policy was not to have 7 dans, and they never recognized them directly. However, they did so implicitly when they created a "6 dan" section between the 5 dan section and the Open section in the US Open.

As players, other than pros, started reaching ratings above 8.0, people, including the ejournal starting using the convenient shorthand you suggest, but it was thought we should be more modest, particularly when our "8 dans" were losing to 6 dans in the WAGC.