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Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:59 pm**

We have lots of volunteers and not a ton of projects. Got any ideas for us?

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:28 pm**

The Official AGA YouTube Channel was a huge step in the right direction, and I would love to see this expanded into something even bigger.

For many years, go fans have known about BadukTV in Korea, which broadcasts go related material 24/7 in Korea (okay, minus the commercials related to prostate health). This has been a key factor to spreading the popularity of go in Korea. The programming provides a number of resources:

Live professional game commentary
Go-related news
Special tournaments and go events
Series lectures aimed at kyu players

The live commentary provided by Myungwan Kim 9d, Andrew Jackson, and the ever-so-mysterious "BadAtBaduk" have been very well received, sometimes reaching hundreds of live viewers.

I would love to see the AGA:

Continue to do the live commentary! Why stop a bad thing?
Introduce lecture series aimed at kyu players. We have AGA professionals now. Sometimes, I've seen AGA professional game commentary in the E-Journal, which is great. If an AGA pro is willing, why not sponsor someone to give a series of video lectures aimed at kyu players, and publish them on the Official AGA YouTube Channel? You can see examples of this already on BadukTV. A good example is the Becoming 5 Kyu series by 7-dan amateur Shim Wooseop. His lectures are aimed at kyu players, and practice basic fundamentals that higher level players already know. It'd be awesome to have this type of series provided by strong players in the AGA. Kyu players and dan players alike could benefit from lectures on go fundamentals.
Use the AGA website to organize video content from the Official AGA YouTube Channel. As content continues to grow on YouTube, it will be more difficult to find the material you're looking for. The AGA website could have a section providing the video content, organized into sections (e.g. Professional Game Commentary, US Go Congress 2016, Lecture Series: Andy Liu's ABC's of Go (okay, I made that one up :-p, etc.).

tl/dr: I think that the Official AGA YouTube channel is a great idea, and we should expand upon it by organizing the videos and making them accessible on the AGA website, and also push toward sponsoring strong players to provide video lectures aimed at kyu players. This last part is one content area that the current YouTube channel lacks, which is available from Asian Go broadcasts.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:26 pm**

Kirby wrote: [*] Introduce lecture series aimed at kyu players. We have AGA professionals now. Sometimes, I've seen AGA professional game commentary in the E-Journal, which is great. If an AGA pro is willing, why not sponsor someone to give a series of video lectures aimed at kyu players, and publish them on the Official AGA YouTube Channel? You can see examples of this already on BadukTV. A good example is the Becoming 5 Kyu series by 7-dan amateur Shim Wooseop. His lectures are aimed at kyu players, and practice basic fundamentals that higher level players already know. It'd be awesome to have this type of series provided by strong players in the AGA. Kyu players and dan players alike could benefit from lectures on go fundamentals.
[*] Use the AGA website to organize video content from the Official AGA YouTube Channel. As content continues to grow on YouTube, it will be more difficult to find the material you're looking for. The AGA website could have a section providing the video content, organized into sections (e.g. Professional Game Commentary, US Go Congress 2016, Lecture Series: Andy Liu's ABC's of Go (okay, I made that one up :-p, etc.).[/list]

tl/dr: I think that the Official AGA YouTube channel is a great idea, and we should expand upon it by organizing the videos and making them accessible on the AGA website, and also push toward sponsoring strong players to provide video lectures aimed at kyu players. This last part is one content area that the current YouTube channel lacks, which is available from Asian Go broadcasts.

Wow, fantastic idea. For the AGA to have it's own high quality lecture content aimed at beginners would be HUGE.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:31 pm**

swannod wrote:
Kirby wrote: [*] Introduce lecture series aimed at kyu players. We have AGA professionals now. Sometimes, I've seen AGA professional game commentary in the E-Journal, which is great. If an AGA pro is willing, why not sponsor someone to give a series of video lectures aimed at kyu players, and publish them on the Official AGA YouTube Channel? You can see examples of this already on BadukTV. A good example is the Becoming 5 Kyu series by 7-dan amateur Shim Wooseop. His lectures are aimed at kyu players, and practice basic fundamentals that higher level players already know. It'd be awesome to have this type of series provided by strong players in the AGA. Kyu players and dan players alike could benefit from lectures on go fundamentals.
[*] Use the AGA website to organize video content from the Official AGA YouTube Channel. As content continues to grow on YouTube, it will be more difficult to find the material you're looking for. The AGA website could have a section providing the video content, organized into sections (e.g. Professional Game Commentary, US Go Congress 2016, Lecture Series: Andy Liu's ABC's of Go (okay, I made that one up :-p, etc.).[/list]

tl/dr: I think that the Official AGA YouTube channel is a great idea, and we should expand upon it by organizing the videos and making them accessible on the AGA website, and also push toward sponsoring strong players to provide video lectures aimed at kyu players. This last part is one content area that the current YouTube channel lacks, which is available from Asian Go broadcasts.
Wow, fantastic idea. For the AGA to have it's own high quality lecture content aimed at beginners would be HUGE.

But it costs money. He said he had volunteers, not dollars.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:12 pm**

I'd say that volunteers can do everything I've mentioned (I.e. Organizing videos in a new section on the usgo website) except for the actual pro commentary. I've seen pro commentary in the e-journal already, so I would imagine investigating a similar route for video commentary.

I'm sure weaker players would be willing to do it for free, but while we're in the business of brainstorming, it sure would seem cool if AGA pros had the incentive to do this

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:13 pm**

I think that running an online tournament would be a huge boon, even if the games did not count as actual AGA rated games. (If they did, all the better!) I think the AGA would have enough reach to make it a successful event, and it would also give people who don't have sponsored events near them a reason to enroll.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:35 am**

Kirby wrote:I would love to see the AGA:

1. I love it too! No stopping!
2. I think this has been a wish list item for a number of years. I'll have to write something up for this. I think a lot of kyu players would love this.
3. This sounds like something that would be great to have once we build up #2 on the list. We have YouTube playlists now that handle some of that information.

DrStraw wrote:But it costs money. He said he had volunteers, not dollars.

Luckily we do have some dollars we can use. We just need some ideas to pitch to get these things rolling.

jeromie wrote:I think that running an online tournament would be a huge boon, even if the games did not count as actual AGA rated games.

Currently I run the Pandanet AGA City League and registration has just started. Check out some of the players and you'll see some of the best in the country play in this. The more teams we have the more awesome games we'll see.

Once the Online Ratings system is fully up and running I bet there will be a number of other regular tournaments online during the year.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:29 am**

I'd like to see the AGA change its name to the American Baduk Association. The word 'go', the use of which is a purely historical accident, is no better than 'baduk' or 'wequi'.
But it has one serious defect on the net: it is too common a word, and therefore difficult to search.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:51 am**

+1 on the Myungwan Kim live commentaries. It's not so easy to stay up late into the night giving professional go commentary for hours. I really appreciate the resource.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:39 am**

Joaz Banbeck wrote:I'd like to see the AGA change its name to the American Baduk Association. The word 'go', the use of which is a purely historical accident, is no better than 'baduk' or 'wequi'. But it has one serious defect on the net: it is too common a word, and therefore difficult to search.

Unfortunately after 80 years it is difficult to change a name like that. If you search for "american go" or "us go" the AGA is the top hit followed by the AGF.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:32 pm**

vash3g wrote: Unfortunately after 80 years it is difficult to change a name like that. If you search for "american go" or "us go" the AGA is the top hit followed by the AGF.

ABA AKA AGA?

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:04 pm**

the AGA change its name to the American Baduk Association.

I think this is a ridiculous idea.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:17 pm**

EdLee wrote:
the AGA change its name to the American Baduk Association.
I think this is a ridiculous idea.

Joaz brings up a good point. It's impossible to search for "Go" with any amount of accuracy on the internet unless you go to specialized sites or know how to dig. That'd be changed by using a unique name. Weiqi or Baduk are charged toward the country holding that term.

They'd work, but still... if only we had come up with our own name 80~ years ago. The game of Gkraaazant, perhaps? Mcgrazit? Surroundadoodle?

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:43 pm**

Koosh wrote:They'd work, but still... if only we had come up with our own name 80~ years ago. The game of Gkraaazant, perhaps? Mcgrazit? Surroundadoodle?

Or just simply called it Igo, like the Japanese do.

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:02 pm**

Koosh wrote: They'd work, but still... if only we had come up with our own name 80~ years ago. The game of Gkraaazant, perhaps? Mcgrazit? Surroundadoodle?

I believe that the Ing Goe Foundation is named the way it is to disambiguate from the English verb. Anyway, homonyms aren't so bad, IMO.

DrStraw wrote: Or just simply called it Igo, like the Japanese do.

Japanese speakers sometimes call it "go", too, but I agree that "igo" is less likely to cause confusion.

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