Life In 19x19

The 10th UEC cup is underway with some very strong programs (no AlphaGo, but Tencent's Jueyi aka FineArt is there and beats top pros on Fox, plus Zen, Ray, CrazyStone...). Some games are on WBaduk, I recorded a few. These are from the preliminary rounds to decide top 16 to play tomorrow. Each round is scheduled to last 1 hour so games are at most 30 minutes each (plus pondering).

Round 2: FineArt killed the whole board of B group bot naiver1. Not worth transcribing.

Round 3: Jueyi crushes CrazyStone.
CS jumps out instead of taking 3-3 to settle in a common joseki at top right, which is okay if you then press and take care of the group, but it makes another group and Jueyi attacks and kills it. Pretty much game over already though CS did get some outside. CS then plays the favourite kyu mistake of hane in 4-4 approach, one-space pincer take corner joseki, Jueyi punsihes with hane not extend. Some more fighting with CS dying.


Round 4: Fine Art crushed (more than CrazyStone, less than naiver1) Maru, a Japanese bot. Not so interesting.

Round 5: Fine Art beat AQ, a Japanese bot.


Round 6: Jueyi vs Rayn (presumably Ray the open source bot).
Interestingly Rayn does 2nd line crawl instead of connect in a common joseki. Then sacrifices corner in top left which seems bad but manages to make a moyo (Jueyi soft?) and then attacks another group to make a nice centre, but tenukis at critical time and Jueyi plays nice shape point to break in and Rayn self destructs with random sentes and game over, though Jueyi does give us a tesuji treat to end.


Round 7: FineArt beat DeepZen (sgf thanks to Platean on reddit)

JueYi is undefeated winner today, it even beat DeepZenGo in round 7.

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Here's Zen vs Fine Art (again via wBaduk).

W16 is the new move. Yu Zhengqi played at sansan in the only other example.

Full crosstable of first day results:
https://twitter.com/Remi_Coulom/status/ ... 4473070593
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7NZH3lVoAEhnXS.jpg

Now on Chinese media, they are calling question whether deepzengo should be qualified to represent AI in world champianship. Interesting new development in Asia in AI

So FineArt beat DeepZen in the final to win the cup:



Impressive kill from Zen vs AQ



FineArt vs Rayn. Interesting tenuki fight in first corners (should be good for black I think). Some nice fighting top left but Ray misses a crane's nest tesuji and then clearly game over so plays some nonsense sente and FineArt is merciless and kills another group.


FineArt vs DolBaram, the Korean bot.


Zen vs Many Faces of Go, American bot that was once the strongest in pre neural network and monte carlo days.

I think FineArt has reached AlphaGo v18 level, very impressive.

Where is Alphago and Leela?

pookpooi wrote:I think FineArt has reached AlphaGo v18 level, very impressive.

I think higher.

Dragonstone wrote:Where is Alphago and Leela?

Not participating.

Shoreline wrote:Now on Chinese media, they are calling question whether deepzengo should be qualified to represent AI in world champianship. Interesting new development in Asia in AI

AlphaGo is also targeted of some Chinese news which think AlphaGo fear JueYi so it didn't participate.

Why did they (Alphago and Leela) not participate?

Are they afraid that they can lose?

Well, Leela doesn't need to be afraid to lose, it would not be expected to win (probably about CrazyStone level). It's also (afaik) a one-man-band, so maybe the author doesn't have the time/inclination/money to go to Japan (he is also author of a top chess bot). Or maybe he wanted to but missed the entry deadline or his visa was denied.

As for AlphaGo, they would be expected to win so not much point going, though the recent rise of Jueyi might make that less certain. They seem to like to manage the appearances of AlphaGo carefully, media and PR is important to them, quite understandable as part of one of the world's biggest tech companies.

Does anyone know what kind of hardware FineArt is running on?

Uberdude wrote:So FineArt beat DeepZen in the final to win the cup:

If there is any questionable move of Zen in this final game, I would think move 123. Zen has the tendency to play too conservatively when it is leading. Move 123 may be better to secure the upper right territory. On the other hand, Fine art has very strong capability to live or even kill something in opponent's territory, which gave many pro players a lot of headache. The last game with Zen also shows similar situation.