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21. Magicwand (3d) vs. wms (1d)

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:45 am
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O . X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is where we left off. I saved the raw HTMLs from godiscussions, so we can retrieve those comments when the game is over.

This move is probably completely ridiculous. But I sort of like it. My goal is to keep white's group in the upper left small - I know I can't kill it, but that's OK.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:30 pm
by Jordus
I edited the post for you. Until we fix the bug, like kirby said, don't use the '#' symbol in the coding.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:32 pm
by topazg
I'm guessing he hasn't seen this?

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[go]$$Wcm56 A and B are miai...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X a . . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O 1 X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X b . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:36 pm
by wms
Thanks Jordus! I'll avoid the # in diagrams from now on.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:58 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O W X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i had to look over and over to see if i missed something..
his move was really unexpected and wrong.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:13 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X B . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I had read this out, but somehow I got distracted and thought the previous move would force W to live on the side. Not going to happen. Now the question is, how much of the upper left and top can I get? And how about the left side? We'll see.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:39 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X W . . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this picture looks too good for me. i am curious what he is thinking now??

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:42 pm
by fwiffo
Brutal for black right now...

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:11 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O B . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I probably can't live in the corner here. But if I can...then this will be very nice.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:17 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O B . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . W X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i can not miss this atari if he doesnt answer and save two stones then he will lose more.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:43 pm
by wms
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:02 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . W . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

that corner is BIG

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:08 pm
by wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . B . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see much point in playing in the upper left any more. The bottom is big. So is the right, but the bottom feels more urgent to me.

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:13 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 i guess always 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

nothing fancy...just maintain my lead

Re: malkovich #21 - magicwand vs. wms

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:23 pm
by wms
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c Move 55 i guess always 55
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . O . X O O O X O O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . . . , . O O X . X O X X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . X X . X X O . |
$$ | . O X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . O X O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . X . B . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . X . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white gets one more move on the right, then there won't be anything I can do there at all. It's my last chance, I've got to take it. This move seems like good shape; I considered a more aggressive move playing on the third line around R9 or something, but if I do that then magicwand can chase me all over the place and he will probably get sente out of it. With this move, his options are more limited.
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