Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:19 pm
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Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
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Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:31 pm
IMO the pass is a move just as important as placing a stone on the board.. if both players missed the atari and passed then that white group is alive because the game is now done... both players accepted the current board position as final... and gone to counting... so white wins...
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:09 am
I think that in almost all rule sets, there is a provision that the players have to confirm the result in the end. After that confirmation, the result cannot be changed. This is important, since further actions and tournament proceedings will depend on the result.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:30 am
Korean rules are very peculiar concerning the game ending. As long as we do not see the current Korean rules of play AND tournament rules translated to English, we cannot know at all what the correct dispute ruling should be. Note that the 1992 rules were changed in the meantime but I have not seen them in English yet, the most unfortunately.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:48 am
What an odd place to end the game, the group in atari doesn't really concern me, there's also a point up on top after the liberties have been take away from white's group as there is a false eye.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:53 am
ZeroKun wrote:What an odd place to end the game, the group in atari doesn't really concern me, there's also a point up on top after the liberties have been take away from white's group as there is a false eye.
There are two points on top.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:55 am
RobertJasiek wrote:Korean rules are very peculiar concerning the game ending. As long as we do not see the current Korean rules of play AND tournament rules translated to English, we cannot know at all what the correct dispute ruling should be. Note that the 1992 rules were changed in the meantime but I have not seen them in English yet, the most unfortunately.
Yes, we need to know what the rules actually say. Also, I think that we need a proper accounting of the events. What I have seen reported so far sounds questionable.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:57 am
my opinion
Therefore, according to EGF rules white just needs to connect during dame filling because it is a teire.
EGF rules section 5 wrote:... Then on neutralised time, more dame and teire may be filled quickly in continued alternation.
Therefore, according to EGF rules white just needs to connect during dame filling because it is a teire.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:21 am
To avoid trouble, before signing the result sheet.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:43 pm
Bill Spight wrote:ZeroKun wrote:What an odd place to end the game, the group in atari doesn't really concern me, there's also a point up on top after the liberties have been take away from white's group as there is a false eye.
There are two points on top.
don't think this is the final board position...
hajin wrote:In this game, they kept playing after black atari-ed, but neither of them saw the atari till the video check up.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:12 pm
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:06 pm
I'm rikugo1 on Starbaduk. I've posted the game record here, though it may generate more questions than it answers.
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:46 pm
thanks for the game record
yeah
because in this record, white fills E1 (at move 280) giving a final score of B+0.5
nagano wrote: I've posted the game record here, though it may generate more questions than it answers.
yeah
because in this record, white fills E1 (at move 280) giving a final score of B+0.5
Re: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:00 am
Helel wrote:Pros missing an atari...
I am missing it as well
which atari is ment and so? (please give move numbers) or a snapshot of the positionRe: Recent rules debate on Baduk TV
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:20 am
move 279