$$cdiagram 1 Basic form $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | . X X a O . $$ | . . X b O . $$ | . e X O O . $$ | . c X O . . $$ | . d . . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$cdiagram 1 Basic form $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | . X X a O . $$ | . . X b O . $$ | . e X O O . $$ | . c X O . . $$ | . d . . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
The status of the Long L group depends according to James Davies ( Life and Death, Ch 27 ) on the number of outside liberties a and b. If none White can get a thousand-year ko at best. If one white can't kill but can get a seki. You can check this in the next two hidden diagrams showing both main variants.
All variants start with Wc, Bd and We in the Basic Form. I start numbering from there.
Diagram 2: No outside liberties ( a is filled ), main variant: thousand year ko. Probably settles in seki finally but remains some burden for black.
$$cDiagram2 B1 at b $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O O . $$ | 3 X X a O . $$ | . . X O O . $$ | 2 O X O , . $$ | b O X O . . $$ | 4 X 5 . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$cDiagram2 B1 at b $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O O . $$ | 3 X X a O . $$ | . . X O O . $$ | 2 O X O , . $$ | b O X O . . $$ | 4 X 5 . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
Diagram 3: One outside liberty : main variant seki
$$cDiagram3 $$ | . . . . . . $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O O . $$ | b X X a O . $$ | 3 . X O O . $$ | 1 O X O , . $$ | 2 O X O . . $$ | . X c . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$cDiagram3 $$ | . . . . . . $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O O . $$ | b X X a O . $$ | 3 . X O O . $$ | 1 O X O , . $$ | 2 O X O . . $$ | . X c . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
Black cannot be prevented from filling at b and c for seki.
In both hidden diagrams outside liberties seem unimportant. So I searched for the subvariant in which the outside liberty mattered. I think it is in the next hidden diagram. But some comfirmation would be welcome.
$$cDiagram 4, 1 at 6, 3 and 5 at c, 4 at 8 $$ | . . , . , . $$ | 0 O O O O . $$ | 7 X X a O . $$ | 2 b X O O . $$ | 6 O X O , . $$ | c O X O . . $$ | 8 X 9 . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$cDiagram 4, 1 at 6, 3 and 5 at c, 4 at 8 $$ | . . , . , . $$ | 0 O O O O . $$ | 7 X X a O . $$ | 2 b X O O . $$ | 6 O X O , . $$ | c O X O . . $$ | 8 X 9 . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
Diagram4: If a is empty black can play b next and live. Otherwise he has to fight the ko at c. ( indirect for white )
A question for me remains why in the no outside liberty case the thousand year ko of diagram 2 is more profitable to black than the indirect ko of diagram 4.
Re: Davies' Long L
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:42 am
by HermanHiddema
$$Wc black sacrifices two stones $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | . X X . O . $$ | 5 . X O O . $$ | 4 3 X O . . $$ | 6 1 X O . . $$ | 7 2 . . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$Wc black sacrifices two stones $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | . X X . O . $$ | 5 . X O O . $$ | 4 3 X O . . $$ | 6 1 X O . . $$ | 7 2 . . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
$$Wc b8 captures w7 $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | 9 X X . O . $$ | O 0 X O O . $$ | . O X O . . $$ | 8 O X O . . $$ | C X . . . . $$ +-------------
[go]$$Wc b8 captures w7 $$ | . . , . , . $$ | . O O O . . $$ | 9 X X . O . $$ | O 0 X O O . $$ | . O X O . . $$ | 8 O X O . . $$ | C X . . . . $$ +-------------[/go]
is auto-atari without the outside liberty, so effectively kills in that case. With the outside liberty, creates a connect-and-die, capturing two stones and thus living.
Re: Davies' Long L
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:33 pm
by cyclops
Thanks for your diagram. It is very clarifying. The decisive diagram between some or none outside liberty.