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I was wondering about a response to a certain move
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:27 pm
by dedroid
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I was wondering about how to respond to this move by white, i've been seeing this play a lot in my handi games that i've been playing.
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I've been doing this for the time being, but i'm unsure of the result
Re: I was wondering about a response to a certain move
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:09 pm
by gaius
After the move you post, the result will probably still not be bad for black, but you can get a lot better. White's move is not very good, because you can seal him in the corner in a very painful way:
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$$ | . . . 2 X .
$$ | . . 4 3 . .
$$ | . . 5 . . .
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$$ | . . . W 1 .
$$ | . . . 2 X .
$$ | . . 4 3 . .
$$ | . . 5 . . .
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After this, I have no idea what white is supposed to do next. Whatever he plays, his corner will become much too small, and black's outside thickness will be much, much more valuable. Long live the double hane - when it's possible, it's usually a very strong move
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Re: I was wondering about a response to a certain move
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:44 pm
by dedroid
ah, thank you. i didn't really consider playing in that direction, but that looks much much better than the results i've been getting.
Re: I was wondering about a response to a certain move
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:33 am
by Bill Spight
gaius wrote:After the move you post, the result will probably still not be bad for black, but you can get a lot better. White's move is not very good, because you can seal him in the corner in a very painful way:
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$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . W 1 .
$$ | . . . 2 X .
$$ | . . 4 3 . .
$$ | . . 5 . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
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[go]$$
$$ --------------
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . W 1 .
$$ | . . . 2 X .
$$ | . . 4 3 . .
$$ | . . 5 . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .[/go]
After this, I have no idea what white is supposed to do next. Whatever he plays, his corner will become much too small, and black's outside thickness will be much, much more valuable. Long live the double hane - when it's possible, it's usually a very strong move
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I like this, too.
Here are several variations, with a number of mistakes. Probably not all of them are intentional.
(;FF[4]GM[1]SZ[19]CA[ISO8859-1]ST[2]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]PW[ ]GN[ ]PM[2]FG[259:]PB[ ]
;B[ed]
;W[dc]
(
;B[ec]
(
;W[dd]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;C[*** The two step hane is very strong.]B[cf]
;W[be]
(
;C[*** One way.]B[df]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[db]
;B[gc]
(
;C[*** Good for Black, I think. ]W[bf]
)
(
;
;W[tt]
;C[*** Sente or close to it.]B[bf]
(
;W[bc]
)
(
;
;W[tt]
;C[*** Difficult for White.]B[bc]
)
)
)
(
;C[*** Another way.]B[ee]
(
;W[bf]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[eb]
;W[bc]
;C[*** Good for Black.]B[cg]
)
(
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[db]
;B[bf]
)
(
;W[bc]
)
(
;C[*** Interesting.]W[cg]
(
;C[*** Not so good, I think.]B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[df]
;W[af]
;B[cd]
;W[bd]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[db]
;W[cj]
)
(
;B[bc]
(
;W[bf]
;B[db]
;W[cd]
;C[*** Good for Black.]B[cb]
)
(
;W[cd]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[bf]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[bg]
;B[ea]
;W[df]
;B[cc]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]
;W[bd]
;B[ac]
;W[af]
;B[ca]
)
)
)
)
(
;C[*** Another way. Maybe best.]B[bf]
(
;W[bc]
;C[*** Good for Black.]B[ee]
)
(
;W[df]
;B[ee]
;W[dg]
(
;B[ch]
;W[dh]
;B[ci]
;C[*** Not good for White, with floating stones.]W[bc]
)
(
;B[bc]
(
;W[bg]
;B[cd]
;W[bd]
;B[cc]
;W[cg]
;B[ad]
;C[*** Very good for Black.]W[af]
)
(
;W[cd]
(
;B[db]
;W[bg]
;B[cc]
;W[cg]
;B[bd]
;C[*** Good for Black.]W[af]
)
(
;B[ch]
;W[dh]
;C[*** Difficult for White.]B[ci]
)
)
)
)
)
)
(
;W[cd]
(
;B[ce]
(
;W[de]
;B[dd]
;W[cf]
;B[be]
;W[bf]
;B[bd]
;W[cc]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[eb]
;W[cb]
;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[dg]
(
;W[fe]
;B[bg]
)
(
;W[ae]
;B[fe]
;W[ac]
;B[ef]
;W[de]
;B[ee]
;W[ad]
;B[de]
;C[*** Very bad for White.]W[ch]
)
)
(
;W[be]
;C[*** Bad for White.]B[cf]
)
)
(
;C[*** Good for Black. Compare with ]B[df]
)
)
)
(
;B[dd]
;W[cc]
;B[ec]
;W[be]
;C[*** Not good for White, as a rule.]B[cf]
)
)
Re: I was wondering about a response to a certain move
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:43 pm
by dedroid
thanks for the variations, it is very helpful