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Who would have won?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:22 am
by tj86430
Here's a recent game from KGS. I won with time, but I'm a bit unsure what would have happened if the game had been played to the end?
I made a couple of bad mistakes, but I managed to get a center moyo, which opponent invaded. I feel confident that I would have killed his invasion, although he did harass my top group - either by living in the top or splitting his invading group and killing the left side of it first. Or is there something I'm missing - who is winning this game?
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]
PW[tj86430]PB[tacololo]WR[4k]BR[5k]DT[2011-01-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at
http://www.gokgs.com/]C[tacololo [5k]: hi
tj86430 [4k]: hi
tj86430 [4k]: gg
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;W[ie]WL[20]OW[5]C[tacololo [5k]: ty
tj86430 [4k]: thanks
tj86430 [4k]: bye
])
Re: Who would have won?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:32 am
by topazg
It's all down to whether Black dies or not. With the aji around N9, N11, G9 etc I'm not at all convinced Black's going to die, especially as he has sente right now. It's above my paygrade this one

If Black was pro and I was White, Black would live. If Black was me and the pro was White, Black would die I suspect. So it's a close one to call for me.
Re: Who would have won?
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:27 am
by Vesa
Black can start with L8 and N9 kikashis and I'm quite convinced that there's enough aji/space for eyes.
Cheers,
Vesa
Re: Who would have won?
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:08 am
by Joaz Banbeck
If I were offered a chance to play that position against another 1D, and if I got to choose colors, I'd choose black. I would start with L7, and look to interpose N9 at the right time.