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This may seem like a silly question, but is it normal that the lines and especially the hoshi are elevated to the extent that it is difficult to place stones on them? This is a "feature" of my new board, and I'm wondering whether it is normal. (Of course I don't have to place stones directly on hoshi so it is not a big deal as such, but I'm curious)

No, that is not normal at all, and is not a "feature" . Could you perhaps post a picture of this unusual board? This is just a hunch, but it could be a board for the visually impaired of some sort.

I can try to take a picture, but I doubt that the elevation will be visible. It isn't very large, but enough to make the stone "wobble" and most likely to slide off if placed directly on the star point. As if a bit too much paint was used to paint the lines and especially the hoshi.

What is the normal procedure when making the boards? Are the lines painted on even surface, or are they first "carved out" before applying paint so that the resulting surface is even?

The board in question is not of the cheapest kind, it is a two-inch japanese kaya board (masame grain), and I'm otherwise very happy with it, but slightly irritated about the elevated star points

On traditional boards, the lines are inked on, so they may be very slightly elevated. Perhaps in the production of your board a little too much ink was used, or maybe the ink was a little too thick?

HermanHiddema wrote:Perhaps in the production of your board a little too much ink was used, or maybe the ink was a little too thick?

That is what I thought too, but since I have no comparison I wasn't sure what can be considered normal. So far my thinking is that it is normal that they are a bit elevated, but on my board they are a bit more elevated than they should be. I wish there was an easy method for measuring the elevation, but since we are talking about fractions of a millimeter a guess there is not.

My board is also like that. In my case, it's the result of lacquered lines.

When my board was new, it bothered me that the stones would tip to one side or the other as a result of sitting on a subtly raised line. These days I don't even notice.

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I don't know if you can see the sliver of light between the piece of lead (for a mechanical pencil) and it's shadow... it's really hard to capture in a picture. You can kind of see the curvature of the star point in this picture as well.

Just play san-san. Then it becomes your opponent's problem.

rubin427 wrote:I don't know if you can see the sliver of light between the piece of lead (for a mechanical pencil) and it's shadow... it's really hard to capture in a picture. You can kind of see the curvature of the star point in this picture as well.

Yep, looks a lot like my board.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:Just play san-san. Then it becomes your opponent's problem.

Now that's whole board thinking! Know the lay of the land*...

*quoted freely from General Tacticus' "The Art Of Go", of course

Traditionally, the lines and hoshi are lacquer (not truly ink, which would be too thin to cause this, and if water-based, might even seep into the grain). The lacquer is applied to the underside of a slightly dulled katana blade, and rocked onto the board in a fluid motion.


Yasuji Miwa and father Saburo Miwa drafting lines on a Goban

Be glad - if you are having this issue, it means your board is high-quality.

As you use the board, the lacquer will naturally flatten with repeated impacts, and the behavior will be less noticeable.

So stop worrying, go and play some games! =)

cthomas wrote:Traditionally, the lines and hoshi are lacquer (not truly ink, which would be too thin to cause this, and if water-based, might even seep into the grain). The lacquer is applied to the underside of a slightly dulled katana blade, and rocked onto the board in a fluid motion.


Yasuji Miwa and father Saburo Miwa drafting lines on a Goban

Be glad - if you are having this issue, it means your board is high-quality.

As you use the board, the lacquer will naturally flatten with repeated impacts, and the behavior will be less noticeable.

So stop worrying, go and play some games! =)

Thank you, this puts my mind more or less at ease (not that I was that worried, surprised might describe it more accurately). As I said it doesn't really affect the use, the stone can always be placed a bit "off-center", but since my earlier, cheap, folding board didn't have this characteristic, I was somewhat surprised when I saw it in my new, tens-of-times more expensive board.

I see that Chuck responded, but I was flipping through his site (drooling over some boards and stones), and came across this picture, which appears to show the raised lacquer that your board has. It looks really nice .

judicata wrote:I see that Chuck responded, but I was flipping through his site (drooling over some boards and stones), and came across this picture, which appears to show the raised lacquer that your board has. It looks really nice .

Blah, I want a really nice set from there, they look great. Where's my money tree gone

I was kind of surprised at the raised lines when I got my board from Shodan Imports. Then I remembered a mention of the lines being raised in a discussion on the darkening of katsura boards with age. It would be nice if the star points would wear down a little, and I'm glad to hear that it will happen with use. Unfortunately, I know next to no one around here that plays, so it only gets used occasionally for study.

Shentar wrote: Unfortunately, I know next to no one around here that plays, so it only gets used occasionally for study.

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