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95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:05 pm
by Aphelion
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I'm White with no komi, Japanese rules. Have a nice game!

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:07 pm
by balmung
Hi, I hope for a good game.
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I will try to play my regular opening as black

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:15 pm
by Loons
Balmung:
What's your regular opening as black at the moment ? Ol' faithful shimari+ 3-4 -> loose pincer ?

Also, I glanced at your other thread about reaching a skill-ceiling, and was wondering if you could sorta state what direction o' comments you're hoping for from your observers.

'Luck both.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:23 pm
by balmung
Loons wrote:Balmung:
What's your regular opening as black at the moment ? Ol' faithful shimari+ 3-4 -> loose pincer ?

Also, I glanced at your other thread about reaching a skill-ceiling, and was wondering if you could sorta state what direction o' comments you're hoping for from your observers.

'Luck both.

Loons
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these are what my first 5 moves generally look like as black. The comments I'm looking for are corrections on my thought pattern. I will go into deep detail of why I make the moves I do, and would like to know what you think is wrong with them, and suggestions of other moves.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:36 pm
by Aphelion
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:11 pm
by balmung
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No point in changing it up now to early in the game.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:25 pm
by Redundant
I like playing this as white. It makes me feel as if playing through Shusaku games has actually taught me something.
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Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:37 pm
by Aphelion
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Lets have at least one 4-4 in this game.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:48 pm
by balmung
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now we see how the game progresses

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:52 pm
by Aphelion
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The relative weakness of his top shimari means that a pincer isn't as big of a concern to me as it would be otherwise

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:19 pm
by balmung
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This is what black wants. The bottom influence is to much to good to be true. White gets some decent compensation on the right, but I gain alot from this joseki.

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This is one of the other ways it can play out.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:49 pm
by emeraldemon
Edit: Observers only

balmung wrote:
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This is what black wants. The bottom influence is to much to good to be true. White gets some decent compensation on the right, but I gain alot from this joseki.


I don't think this is "too good to be true". It's even for both players, I would say. also I prefer 'a' to :b7: . I think in general approaching a 3-4 is bigger than approaching 4-4.

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:00 pm
by balmung
if someone posts something that is not addressed to anyone, and it is hidden can we read it or is it for observers only?

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:03 pm
by emeraldemon
I would assume you can't open any hide tag unless someone specifically says to. I edit my last post to be more clear :tmbup:

Re: 95: Balmung (7k?) vs Aphelion (5k)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:04 pm
by balmung
emeraldemon wrote:I would assume you can't open any hide tag unless someone specifically says to. I edit my last post to be more clear :tmbup:

ok thankyou