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counting gote in yose

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:15 am
by yosu
I am currently reading the endgame book of the "Elementary Go Series"

I added a sample of the pages
(ch 2 p.4f)

I dont understand the number "2 (-)" in the result.
And what do the plus and minus mean ??
:scratch:

Pls enlighten me :bow:

Re: counting gote in yose

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:44 am
by Bill Spight
It is seldom necessary to be precise when calculating the size of a play or territory. The plus or minus means a little more than or a little less than.

To be precise, in the original position, given the usual assumptions, a play by either player gains 3 1/3 points. The difference between the result when Black plays first and the result when White plays first is thus 6 2/3 points, or 7(-). :)

Re: counting gote in yose

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:55 pm
by yosu
thanks for the clarification but could you explain how you calculated exactly?
even though its not necessary it would be nice to be able to do it.

Re: counting gote in yose

Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 1:34 pm
by Bill Spight
How to get the exact count.

In Diagram 16 Black has 1/3 point in the corner for the White ko stone in atari. White has 4 points. (It is somewhat arbitrary what you count, but they seem to be counting 4 of White's points.) Net result: -3 2/3 points for Black (3 2/3 points for White).

If Black plays from Diagram 15 instead of White, the net result is -3.

Since the moves are gote, the count for Diagram 15 is -3 1/3.

In Diagram 14 the net result is 0.

Since the moves Diagram 13 are gote, the count for Diagram 13 is -1 2/3.

The count for Diagram 11 is +5.

The original count is +1 2/3. Either gote gains 3 1/3. The swing between Diagram 11 and Diagram 15 is 6 2/3. :)


Edit:

Before someone else points it out, :w1: in Diagram 16 is not exactly gote, since it gains 1/3 point and Black can also gain 1/3 point by taking the ko. Still, treating it as gote gives the right answer, as it is ambiguous. :)

:w1: in Diagram 12 is ambiguous, too, BTW. When the book was written go players did not understand about ambiguous plays.