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9kyu game
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:06 am
by nyuubi
Hello everyone. I thought since metapearl is spamming this forum with games maybe if I throw one in it won't look so excessive <3
I appreciate any comments/suggestions that you can give me.
A few questions in the sgf.
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=958
Re: 9kyu game
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:55 am
by Joaz Banbeck
At move 12 you have two big sides, one top and one bottom:
$$Wcm12
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$$ { AR L17 G17 }
$$ { AR L17 P17 }
$$ { LN G16 G18 }
$$ { LN P16 P18 }
$$ { AR L4 F4 }
$$ { AR L4 P4 }
$$ { LN F3 F5 }
$$ { LN P3 P5 }
- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm12
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR L17 G17 }
$$ { AR L17 P17 }
$$ { LN G16 G18 }
$$ { LN P16 P18 }
$$ { AR L4 F4 }
$$ { AR L4 P4 }
$$ { LN F3 F5 }
$$ { LN P3 P5 }[/go]
...but you play in a smaller gap where you are sure to get attacked.
There are several texxtbook approaches to the Chinese opening:
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- Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
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$$ | . . O , W . . . . , . . b . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
..and both of them are extensions off of your already existing positions.
Re: 9kyu game
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:35 pm
by emeraldemon
I feel like your bottom right group was neglected by both players for a long time. That shape you built has maybe 1/2 an eye. Black could have played somewhere in the N9 area, threatening your group and making a big box w/ the wall in the upper right. Even after you finally play in that area (your attach at Q9), I think if B had played the other hane you would have had some issues. Just my $0.02
Re: 9kyu game
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:12 pm
by nyuubi
Thank you. I appreciate your comments ^_^
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:46 pm
by EdLee
A few ideas:
(;CA[utf-8]ST[2]RU[Japanese]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]GM[1]AP[CGoban:3]SZ[19]FF[4]DT[2011-06-12]
PC[KGS]PB[fw280]BR[9k]PW[Nibbler]WR[9k]KM[6.5]TM[1800]RE[W+6.5]MULTIGOGM[0]
;B[pd]BL[1779.28]C[
];W[dc]WL[1785.44];B[pq]BL[1775.8];W[ep]WL[1781.24];B[de]BL[1768.71]
(;W[cd]WL[1763.84]C[See var.];B[ce]BL[1762];W[fc]WL[1760.35]C[
];B[ci]BL[1757.5]
LB[cd:a]C[Compare this result to W move 6 var -- you short-changed yourself with (a).]
(;W[cp]WL[1754.38];B[qk]BL[1720.18];W[qf]WL[1738.6]C[What Joaz said.];B[qh]BL[1704.25]
;W[qc]WL[1720.06]LB[qf:a]C[W. But this result is fine? Or is it bad?
E. You started bad with (a), so you get what you get here. Now it is damage control. Go back and study why (a) was not good.]
;B[qd]BL[1700.76];W[pc]WL[1718.64];B[od]BL[1695.73];W[rd]WL[1716.57];B[re]BL[1694.01]
;W[rc]WL[1715.2];B[qe]BL[1692.18];W[nc]WL[1714.44]LB[qf:a][qk:b]C[Notice your (a) helped make B (b) to be at a very nice place. You helped B make a good combination. And you got gote here. B is happy.]
;B[jp]BL[1642.48];W[po]WL[1642.87]C[W. I set out to destroy his potential moyo
E. Another view -- you are invading where B is strong, try to suffer as little as possible while B profits from his attack on your stone.
]
(;B[qo]BL[1617.21]C[See var.];W[pp]WL[1637.97];B[qp]BL[1612.67];W[oq]WL[1635.99]
;B[pr]BL[1584.01];W[pn]WL[1591.05]LB[qo:a]C[W. I think this is a pretty good move in this situation?
E. Yes, you got a good result here because B helped you with (a). See B move 25 var.]
;B[mq]BL[1516.09];W[gq]WL[1576.84];B[or]BL[1498.33];W[np]WL[1570.93];B[nq]BL[1488.13]
;W[no]WL[1561.11]C[W. Is this ok or too slow?
E. Feels slow. End of notes.];B[cm]
BL[1419.22];W[ck]WL[1515.71];B[em]BL[1365.12];W[di]WL[1492.56];B[dh]BL[1355.56]
;W[ei]WL[1485.93];B[cj]BL[1340.43];W[eh]WL[1480];B[dj]BL[1259.01];W[dg]WL[1463.43]
;B[ch]BL[1255.7];W[ef]WL[1462.06];B[cg]BL[1242.27];W[ee]WL[1459.58];B[df]BL[1238.55]
;W[eg]WL[1457.02];B[jc]BL[1148.99];W[hd]WL[1439];B[je]BL[1144.99];W[kd]WL[1432.54]
;B[jd]BL[1140.6];W[hf]WL[1430.95];B[jg]BL[1108.53];W[pk]WL[1411.12];B[pj]BL[1087.5]
;W[ok]WL[1407.23];B[oj]BL[1083.16];W[me]WL[1404.51];B[nf]BL[1056.17];W[nd]WL[1397.76]
;B[of]BL[1026.67];W[nk]WL[1362.43];B[mf]BL[944.099];W[nj]WL[1340.4];B[le]BL[879.086]
;W[ko]WL[1329.83];B[kp]BL[875.641];W[lo]WL[1327.75];B[lp]BL[867.933];W[kj]WL[1321.87]
;B[ld]BL[724.822];W[ir]WL[1279.51];B[jr]BL[720.819];W[iq]WL[1276.87];B[oc]BL[709.402]
;W[ob]WL[1274.26];B[hb]BL[646.998];W[gb]WL[1262.51];B[hc]BL[631.876];W[gc]WL[1260.09]
;B[be]BL[609.664];W[bc]WL[1235.11];B[hk]BL[591.465];W[jl]WL[1217.23];B[hm]BL[569.091]
;W[oi]WL[1159.37];B[pi]BL[565.651];W[nh]WL[1146.91];B[qn]BL[557.946];W[ph]WL[1136.44]
;B[pg]BL[550.135];W[oh]WL[1132.74];B[qi]BL[540.035];W[ql]WL[1128.87];B[rk]BL[510.764]
;W[lb]WL[957.214];B[lc]BL[488.009];W[mb]WL[953.816];B[bo]BL[481.088];W[bp]WL[950.986]
;B[ap]BL[478.285];W[aq]WL[948.731];B[ao]BL[476.236];W[br]WL[948.049];B[qm]BL[441.62]
;W[pm]WL[944.744];B[rl]BL[438.787];W[kr]WL[940.497];B[lr]BL[398.86];W[jq]WL[932.976]
;B[kq]BL[396.867];W[js]WL[930.828];B[ej]BL[355.182];W[jn]WL[925.198];B[lh]BL[305.309]
;W[li]WL[915.745];B[mh]BL[303.039];W[mi]WL[913.537];B[hp]BL[230];W[fo]WL[860.024]
;B[fm]BL[215.2];W[se]WL[856.07];B[rf]BL[196.688];W[co]WL[845.112];B[bn]BL[193.853]
;W[hh]WL[842.684];B[gp]BL[190.384];W[fq]WL[838.764];B[hq]BL[187.537];W[hr]WL[837.369]
;B[ip]BL[140.018];W[kb]WL[829.081];B[kc]BL[136.24];W[gj]WL[783.217];B[gk]BL[132.321]
;W[fj]WL[781.165];B[fk]BL[130.667];W[hj]WL[780.054];B[ik]BL[128.473];W[jk]WL[778.651]
;B[ij]BL[127.052];W[hi]WL[776.567];B[sf]BL[110.15];W[sd]WL[772.871];B[jb]BL[107.92]
;W[kh]WL[758.943];B[kg]BL[101.716];W[mg]WL[757.19];B[lg]BL[98.614];W[ng]WL[756.446]
;B[ad]BL[75.213];W[ac]WL[753.717];B[cn]BL[58.715];W[hn]WL[750.095];B[gn]BL[56.809]
;W[in]WL[748.799];B[im]BL[54.584];W[jm]WL[747.555];B[fn]BL[44.363];W[bd]WL[742.51]
;B[ae]BL[42.286];W[pl]WL[720.339];B[do]BL[34.432];W[eo]WL[713.667];B[dn]BL[31.262]
;W[dp]WL[712.488];B[il]BL[21.031];W[ls]WL[673.21];B[ms]BL[13.868];W[ks]WL[671.813]
;OB[5]B[jh]BL[30];W[ki]WL[665.599];OB[5]B[ig]BL[30];W[hg]WL[655.501];OB[5]B[if]
BL[30];W[ia]WL[638.513];OB[5]B[ja]BL[30];W[ha]WL[636.214];OB[5]B[ib]BL[30];W[ga]
WL[635.022];OB[5]B[ka]BL[30];W[la]WL[632.468];OB[5]B[og]BL[30];W[ni]WL[629.906]
;OB[5]B[he]BL[30];W[ge]WL[627.39];OB[5]B[ie]BL[30];W[id]WL[620.06];OB[5]B[ic]BL[30]
;W[gd]WL[618.184];OB[5]B[dd]BL[30];W[ed]WL[612.614];OB[5]B[ne]BL[30];W[md]WL[609.334]
;OB[5]B[mc]BL[30];W[nb]WL[607.477];OB[4]B[mp]BL[30];W[mo]WL[603.662];OB[4]B[op]
BL[30];W[oo]WL[601.179];OB[4]B[oq]BL[30];W[fp]WL[576.529];OB[4]B[go]BL[30];W[]WL[576.527]
;OB[4]B[]BL[30]TB[ro][sg][kd][ke][oe][pe][af][bf][cf][jf][kf][lf][pf][qf][ag][bg]
[qg][rg][ah][bh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ri][si][aj][bj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][dk][ek]
[sk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][sl][am][bm][dm][gm][rm][sm][an][rn][sn][so]
[rp][sp][lq][qq][rq][sq][mr][nr][qr][rr][sr][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TW[db][hs][is]
[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][gs][eb][fb][pb]
[qb][rb][sb][cc][ec][sc][fd][fe][ff][gf][fg][gg][fh][gh][fi][gi][lj][mj][kk][lk]
[mk][kl][ll][ml][nl][ol][km][lm][mm][nm][om][kn][ln][mn][nn][on][bq][cq][dq][eq]
[ar][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][jr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs])
(;B[np];W[qq];B[qr];W[qp];B[rr]LB[lq:a][qk:b]C[W will get a weak group that has to run forever while B profits (a) side and makes (b) side even stronger.]))
(;W[po];B[cp];W[dn];B[cn];W[cm];B[do];W[eo];B[en];W[dm];B[dp]C[I didn't want him to approach the corner from beneath in this position but this isn't joseki ofc. Just my random crap var. What do you think I should have played instead?]))
(;W[ce];B[cf];W[cd];B[df];W[fc];B[cj]LB[cd:a]C[Compare this result to the game -- you short-changed yourself with (a).]))