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#134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:10 pm
by Sevis
6.5 komi, Japanese rules, no handicap, open joseki dictionaries.
Nigiri:
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:14 pm
by dabird
Nigiri: Even?
Player info:
Dabird is KGS 3kyu (then 4kyu, then 3kyu, then...). We are playing even with open book (joseki).
Hope my etiquette is so far so good! (first Malkovich game).
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:22 pm
by dabird
So I correctly guessed Nigiri; Choosing black, I think I am to set up the board?
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Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:25 pm
by Sevis
Indeed.
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Nothing wrong with your ettiquete.
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:39 pm
by EdLee
dabird,
dabird wrote: Dull perhaps, but I like 3x4 josekis. I feel like I understand the variations the best.
Interesting and impressive, considering Ishida has ~180 pages for 4-4 and ~400 pages for 3-4.
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:49 pm
by dabird
This will be my last post for tonight.
$$Bcm1 :b0: :w0:
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Well that is interesting. White is inviting a cross-corner game. And with this 3x5 in this direction, there is an emphasis (for white) on the bottom. If I take the invitation, what is the best play in the lower left? Tempted to take the cross-corner, I am deciding between a and b
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 :b0: :w0:Both a and b are low on the bottom side, where white is high, which is in line with Go theory, I think. b threatens a shimari that aims towards the left side, but a threatens one that makes the bottom area (marked as *) ideal for both sides as extensions. White won't choose a shimari before an open corner is complete, but if I play b, then I think I'm compelling white to play the empty corner, giving me the most choices: "finishing" a corner in the upper right or the lower left or making an approach on one of white's corner stones.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 :b0: :w0:Aiming a shimari towards the left side, 'b', to me looks uninteresting and not liable to make as interesting a puzzle. But I'm probably being over-zealous with my analysis of move 3.
Dumb question: I can read white's thoughts *after* I make my move?
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:52 pm
by dabird
EdLee wrote: dabird,
dabird wrote: Dull perhaps, but I like 3x4 josekis. I feel like I understand the variations the best.
Interesting and impressive, considering Ishida has ~180 pages for 4-4 and ~400 pages for 3-4.
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:20 pm
by dabird
dabird wrote:
Doh! Sorry, having read through some Malkovich games; I "get it." The observers get to "be Malkovich" not the players.
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:11 pm
by EdLee
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:23 pm
by dabird
Oh shoot, I didn't post my code properly. Sorry!
Here is my move that I meant to make on my previous post:
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Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:01 pm
by Sevis
No problem.
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Well!
A cross fuseki with my stones not on the star points. Not something I particularly like, but heck, that's why I played it. I'm hoping that by playing high, I'll manage to get some influence; I think the worst thing that could happen is that my opponent makes a moyo, which I'd probably not be able to invade.
I'd prefer to have the initiative in this game, but being white, I somehow doubt that'll happen anytime soon. I could approach one of the corners, but I don't like this:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm3 I suspect that my opponent will be able to get some profit out of that corner, anyway, and the left looks too black to me. No, given the chance to play cross fuseki, I should play cross fuseki. A 3-4 will provide some nice possibilities for pincers, and I want to practice those. The two 3-4s available look equal to me.
Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:29 pm
by dabird
Move 5!
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Re: #134 dabird vs sevis
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:36 pm
by Sevis
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Unexpected. I thought black would attack -- I suppose the shimari is well-placed, though. Now, I can either enclose my right, or I can attack -- and I think that attacking is the better option. As I said last time, I want sente, and, well, here I have it. Now I just need to not lose it.
By the way, I am going to challenge myself to post the move I expect together with each move of my own. Observers, feel free to complain if I ever forget.
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Black does not seem to want complications.
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:31 pm
by EdLee
dabird wrote: As white, I wouldn't want to make the shimari, since black could take the extension both sides want.
(For beginners.) dabird's reasoning is correct.
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:35 pm
by EdLee
Hidden until after the opening.
Sevis wrote: I thought black would attack <*snip*>
(For beginners.) Common misunderstanding at this level.
There are
no weak groups anywhere on the board, so there is
nothing to attack.
Approach, yes; attack, no -- two completely different things.
Nothing wrong with your ettiquete.
