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Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

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Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:13 pm
by Solomon
I did something similar to this on GD a while ago and the response was great. A lot of people participated and it was overall very fun so I thought it would be nice to try it again and see just how well people are at judging the strength level of certain games. For those who don't know how to play, the rules are quite simple. Below you will see 5 games. The objective is to determine how strong the players in each of the game are. The players' ranks in the games are as follows:

  • Professionals (both are top 10 in their countries)
  • KGS 5d
  • KGS 1d
  • KGS 7k
  • KGS 14k

As you can see, the gaps between each level are quite large - so people should have no problem figuring out which game belongs to which strength group...right? :) Personally, my feelings are that a lot of Go players don't have such a great sense (despite what kibitzers will tell you) of how strong the players are in a game, so prove me wrong :D. Answers will be posted after the thread winds down (or will it even kick off as well as last time?).

Game 1


Game 2


Game 3


Game 4


Game 5

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:36 pm
by Kirby
My Guesses:

Game 1: 7k
Game 2: pro
Game 3: 14k
Game 4: 1d
Game 5: 5d

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:42 pm
by Violence
Well, it's plain as day that 1 and 3 are kyu, where as 2, 4, and 5 are stronger than that. I'll be looking more indepth later.

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:47 pm
by tj86430
Ok, I'll bite:
Game1: 14k
Game2: 5d
Game3: 1d
Game4: 7k
Game5: pro

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:11 am
by Jonas
My try:
Game1: 14k ~ not sure, but I hope no 7k would play #25.

Game2: 1d ~ The opening looks very unorthodox but I think all the moves look ok

Game3: 7k ~ Some fierce attacks are going on but I'll doubt that a 5d or pro would leave weak groups like this

Game4: 5d ~ Looks like a 5d lighting game, although I'm not sure maybe Game2 is 5d and this one 1d...

Game5: Pro ~ Playing the "wrong" direction in avalanche-style looks very much like lee changho

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:16 am
by Violence
Solch, can you tell us about the time controls on these games? Are they variable? Comparable? Different? Same?

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:31 am
by SoDesuNe
1. 7k
2. 1D
3. 14k
4. Pro
5. 5D

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:34 am
by Jordus
1. 7k
2. 1D
3. 14k
4. 5D
5. Pro

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:50 am
by kirkmc
1 - 7k
2 - 1d
3 - 14k
4 - pro
5 - 5d



Edit, after posting and peeking at hidden text: Interesting, I agree with SoDesuNe and Jordus and I only disagree on the last two... Maybe a trend?

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:51 am
by daal
Fun stuff Araban, thx!

1. Fraught with moves that look to my 7k eyes like errors. 14k
2. Strategically consistent game by both players. 5d
3. Cocky opening by w. 7k
4. W outfoxes b in opening, b outfoxes w on bottom and wins. Rollicking game.1d
5. Slow, deliberate and calculated game. And resigning a close game? pro

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:58 am
by lorill
1: strange opening, reverse shoulder hit at 21, toothpaste at 36/38... weaker than me, and i'm 7k.
2: stronger that me, style looks textbookish, so probably amateur dan
3: 14 seems strange, 27 too. Looks also weaker than me, but there is only one 14k game. Both 1 and 3 contains big mistakes, but this one looks weaker than 1.
4: i honestly can't tell
5: same here

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:33 am
by topazg
1. 14k (Some crazy fails in the reading department time after time again)
2. 1d (So much aji keshi. But not 7k or 14k play)
3. 7k (The only obvious kyu game, and it doesn't have the epic fails of the 14k game IMO).
4. 5d (Wow, exciting stuff. It feels very strong, it also feels blitzish. Top right result was strong reading, but the game doesn't feel pro).
5. Pro (It has that feel for a number of individual move reasons.)

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:45 am
by FrenchDude
Game 1 - KGS 14k
Game 2 - KGS 1d
Game 3 - KGS 7k
Game 4 - Professionals
Game 5 - KGS 5d

For the professionals and kgs 5d I'm pretty much guessing..

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:45 am
by Jonas
topazg wrote:
1. 14k (Some crazy fails in the reading department time after time again)
2. 1d (So much aji keshi. But not 7k or 14k play)
3. 7k (The only obvious kyu game, and it doesn't have the epic fails of the 14k game IMO).
4. 5d (Wow, exciting stuff. It feels very strong, it also feels blitzish. Top right result was strong reading, but the game doesn't feel pro).
5. Pro (It has that feel for a number of individual move reasons.)


yeah topazg my mate ^-^ sitting in the same boat now, hope sol is giving the answer quickly :X

Re: Guess their rank: Strength analysis experiment.

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:59 am
by topazg
Jonas wrote:yeah topazg my mate ^-^ sitting in the same boat now, hope sol is giving the answer quickly :X


Hehe, yay, someone thinks like me :D

You criticise move 25 in game #1 (and fairly so) - but what about move 28? What about the real corker at 157?
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