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I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:35 am
by Brookyct95
I just started playing Go recently and I don't know how to improve my games or how to review the games I play. This is the first game I play in the full board.
Please give me some advice to improve my game.
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1524
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:36 am
by Joaz Banbeck
The best piece of advice I can give is stop playing on a full board. Play more games on a 9x9 board. You will learn faster.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:50 am
by Brookyct95
Yeah, thanks for the advice. I've been playing on 9x9 and 13x13 for a month now. This is the first game i play on a full board. I kinda suck at playing in the center.
P/s: Sorry for the bad English.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:06 am
by Bill Spight
You play very well for just starting out.
(;GM[1]CA[ISO8859-1]ST[0]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]SZ[19]FF[4]GN[ ]HA[0]PB[Opponent]FG[259:]VW[]WR[18 Kyu]KM[0.5]PW[The Many Faces of Go]BR[16 Kyu]RU[Japanese]PM[2]RE[B+R]DT[2012-01-30]
;B[do]
;W[qd]
;B[ed]
;W[op]
;B[df]
;W[oc]
;B[dj]
;W[iq]
;B[fp]
;W[jc]
;B[ie]
;W[cm]
(
;C[*** Makes it too easy for White. See variation.]B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[cn]
;W[dl]
;B[el]
;W[ek]
(
;C[*** Watch out for the double atari. See variation.]B[ej]
;W[dk]
;B[em]
;W[lp]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[kd]
;W[kc]
(
;C[*** Usually not good to play the attachment to more than one stone. See variation.]B[ic]
;W[jd]
;B[je]
;W[id]
(
;C[*** Paying the price for the attachment. Better to just give the stone up. See variation.]B[hc]
;W[hd]
(
;C[*** Usually a bad idea to press against strong stones. See variation.]B[gd]
;W[he]
(
;C[*** Same thing. See variation.]B[hf]
;W[ge]
(
;C[*** Same thing. Pushing the toothpaste out of the tube. See variation.]B[fe]
;W[if]
;B[ig]
;W[jf]
;B[ke]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]
;W[gg]
;B[ff]
;W[fg]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[kf]
;W[jg]
;B[ih]
;W[kg]
;B[lg]
;W[lh]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[mh]
;W[mg]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
(
;C[*** See variation.]W[ne]
;B[md]
;W[of]
(
;C[*** See variations.]B[kh]
;W[li]
;C[*** Unnecessary.]B[jh]
;W[mi]
;C[*** Why bother? It is only one stone.]B[nh]
;W[ni]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
(
;C[*** Again filling a dame of strong stones. See variation.]B[nj]
;W[oj]
(
;C[*** Desperation. See variation.]B[pj]
;W[pi]
;B[ok]
;W[nk]
;B[mj]
;W[lj]
;B[mk]
;W[oi]
;C[*** Good!]B[nl]
;W[pk]
;C[*** Good!]B[pl]
;W[qj]
;C[*** Good!]B[lc]
;W[ch]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[dh]
;W[cg]
;C[*** Unnecessary. And inconsistent with your previous moves.]B[jb]
;W[kb]
;B[lb]
;W[ng]
;B[cf]
;W[dg]
;C[*** Se what if White connects here? That does not give him eyes.]B[eg]
;W[eh]
;B[ef]
;W[di]
;B[bg]
;W[cj]
(
;C[*** Small. See variation.]B[fk]
;W[fj]
(
;C[*** Silly. See variation.]B[fi]
;W[ei]
;B[gj]
;W[ej]
;C[*** Small.]B[bh]
;W[bf]
;B[be]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]
;W[gl]
;B[gm]
;W[gi]
;B[hj]
;W[hi]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[ii]
;W[ij]
;B[hk]
;W[hl]
;B[ik]
;W[il]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[jj]
;W[jl]
;C[*** Does not work. ]B[kl]
;W[km]
;B[lm]
;W[ll]
;B[kk]
;W[mm]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]
(
;C[*** Dangerous. See variation.]B[kn]
;W[jm]
;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[io]
;W[hn]
;B[hm]
;W[im]
;B[ho]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]
;W[kp]
;B[jp]
;W[jq]
;B[gn]
;W[lk]
;B[po]
;W[pp]
;B[qp]
;W[qo]
;B[qn]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]
;W[pn]
;B[oo]
;W[qm]
;B[rn]
;W[so]
;B[sp]
;W[ml]
(
;C[*** Small. See variation.]B[nk]
;W[nm]
;B[ol]
;W[om]
;B[pq]
;W[qq]
;C[*** Good!]B[oq]
;W[np]
(
;C[*** Nice try. See variation.]B[mp]
;W[no]
;B[sn]
;W[mq]
;B[qr]
;W[rq]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[ns]
;W[ms]
;B[qs]
;W[lo]
;B[jo]
;W[on]
;B[qo]
)
(
;C[*** Save yourself trouble.]B[qr]
)
)
(
;B[np]
;W[no]
;B[on]
;W[nq]
;B[pq]
;W[oq]
;C[*** Easy life.]B[pm]
)
)
(
;B[lk]
)
)
(
;B[jk]
;W[jj]
;B[kj]
)
)
(
;C[*** Save yourself a lot of trouble.]B[ij]
)
)
(
;B[gj]
)
)
(
;B[qq]
)
)
(
;C[*** Same point as before. Where can White make eyes?]B[cj]
)
)
(
;C[*** Better here. Even better to play somewhere else.]B[pi]
)
)
(
;B[ph]
;W[og]
;C[*** Strengethens your own stones.]B[oj]
)
)
(
;B[li]
;W[kh]
;C[*** Bingo!]B[ki]
)
(
;B[lc]
(
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]
;W[ec]
;B[dc]
;W[eb]
;B[db]
;W[fd]
;B[ea]
;W[gd]
;B[kb]
)
(
;W[lb]
;B[mb]
;W[ib]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]
;B[gb]
;W[kb]
;B[ja]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[jb]
;B[ha]
;W[nb]
;B[la]
;W[na]
;B[ma]
)
)
)
(
;W[ld]
;B[le]
;W[ne]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[nd]
;W[od]
;B[lc]
;W[nc]
;B[ld]
;W[lb]
)
)
(
;C[*** Bingo!]B[kh]
)
)
(
;C[*** This ladder works.]B[jg]
)
)
(
;B[fd]
)
)
(
;C[*** Strengthen your own stones.]B[ld]
)
)
(
;B[gc]
)
)
(
;B[hd]
;W[hc]
;B[gc]
;W[ib]
;B[he]
)
)
(
;C[*** Simple and strong. ]B[ld]
)
)
(
;C[*** Enclose White and make him live if he can.]B[fk]
)
)
(
;B[em]
)
)
(
;C[*** Helps to secure the corner while making it harder for White to make eyes.]B[co]
)
)
Main point: Usually it is not good to play next to strong stones.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:41 am
by Joaz Banbeck
Now ask Bill to define 'strong stone'.
EDIT: Seriously, no disrespect for Bill Spight is intended. You can learn a lot from him.
He is perfectly correct: you are playing too close to strong stones. What is a strong stone? For now, assume that when there are more of the opponent's stones than yours, his stones are strong. When there are more of yours nearby, assume that yours are strong and that his are weak. This is not a really good definition, but it will suffice for now. Later, you will learn a better definition.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:46 pm
by Bill Spight
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Now ask Bill to define 'strong stone'.
Now, us girls have to keep some secrets.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:14 am
by Brookyct95
Thank you very much!
I have one question: In a match, when can I press and attack, and when can should strenthen my territory?
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:35 am
by amnal
Brookyct95 wrote:Thank you very much!
I have one question: In a match, when can I press and attack, and when can should strenthen my territory?
The subtle answers to this question are a significant part of the separation between 9d and 30k. I think the best answer is to play games, have them reviewed, and ask this question about specific situations. There is too much information to answer in any short form.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:57 am
by Bill Spight
Brookyct95 wrote:Thank you very much!
I have one question: In a match, when can I press and attack, and when can should strenthen my territory?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Doing both with one move is usually better than doing only one.
IMO, when you are just starting out it is good to play aggressively. If you make an overplay, your opponent can show you where you are wrong. If you play too passively, you can lose without knowing why.
Good luck!
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:59 am
by Bill Spight
BTW, I see that you have Many Faces set to be weaker than you. Better to set it to be stronger, by 3 - 5 stones or so. You can learn bad habits from weaker players, especially computers.
Re: I'm new here, please help.
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:43 am
by otenki
my 2 cents on mfog:
When I started out I played a few matches against mfog 12 too.
My advice is to play non ranked and use the "analyse last move feature".
Also it helps you too see which teritory is who's and where you can make eyes.
This will also help you to see where the some bigger next moves lie.
After a while you will start to recognise this kind of moves yourself and play a whole deal better.
When you get to this point, stop playing mfog and go play againts real people that are stronger than you.
Of course if you can have a stronger player do the same thing as "analyse last move" instead of a computer this would be even better.
Good luck!
Otenki