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First sgf post, please critique!
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:22 pm
by Argitist
Hello, I'm new to 19x19, nice to meet you all. I wanted to post a game I lost recently and see if you'll could give me some advice. I believe I'm about 6k, I think this game represents my natural style at the moment. I think I definitely over played at the top, but a bunch of my groups were loose and I got fairly sloppy as well... I like studying direction of play and theory the most, but have been studying life and death and joseki recently. Any advice would be appreciated. Here's the game.
edit: looking over the game my self, I think I also failed to respond to the probes correctly, hm...
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1553
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:12 pm
by EdLee
Hi Argitist, shape problems:
Re: First sgf post, please critique!
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:25 am
by Bill Spight
Some comments on the early play.
Nice game. Both players showed good fighting spirit.
(;GM[1]ST[2]FF[4]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]KM[6.5]C[Argitist \[7k\]\: hello, gg
karakacan1 \[7k\]\: hi
karakacan1 \[7k\]\: gg
]WR[7k]FG[259:]PB[karakacan1]DT[2012-02-09]RE[B+Resign]PM[0]BR[7k]RU[Japanese]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]GN[ ]TM[600.0]PW[Argitist]PC[The KGS Go Server at http\://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pd]BL[597.992]
(
;W[dq]WL[595.114]C[*** Not so good, as it turns out. See variation.]
(
;B[pp]BL[596.547]C[*** See variation.]
(
;W[cd]WL[589.504]C[*** Invites a Black approach that works with the top right 4-4 stone. See variation.]
(
;B[qj]BL[593.59]C[*** Missed opportunity. See variation.]
(
;W[jc]WL[586.548]C[*** See variation.]
;B[jq]BL[588.059]
(
;W[nc]WL[579.646]C[*** How do you know you won't want to jump into the corner instead? See variation.]
;B[pf]BL[583.319]
(
;W[pb]WL[569.381]C[*** Low and slow. In effect, you have already replied here. See variation.]
(
;B[qc]BL[580.798]C[*** No rush. See variation.]
;W[ne]WL[564.094]C[*** Excellent! Plays on the frontier of frameworks are big.]
;B[fq]BL[575.513]C[*** Interesting idea. But Black seems to be playing to incrementally enlarge his sphere of influence. That is generally too slow, even for Black. He should think about giving White difficulties.]
(
;W[co]WL[561.001]C[*** Gives Black a good play at E-05. See variation.]
(
;B[ec]BL[566.415]C[*** See variation.]
(
;W[gc]WL[556.6]C[*** But White is already strong on the top side. See variation.]
(
;B[ee]BL[564.222]C[*** Jowa says, Don't run. See variation. Black can be satisfied to have prevented a White enclosure with sente. B15 is expendable. By running now Black creates worries for himself.]
;W[df]WL[554.19]
(
;B[ff]BL[559.582]C[*** See variation.]
(
;W[ci]WL[539.641]C[*** See variation.]
(
;B[qm]BL[549.307]C[*** Passive. See variation.]
;W[cb]WL[531.385]
;B[mq]BL[540.13]C[*** Not good. Leaves a ko in the corner. See variation for next.]
(
;W[hq]WL[515.369]C[*** Black is too strong in the surrounding region. Run-run looks better for Black than for White. See variation.]
;B[fo]BL[534.778]
;W[ho]WL[513.457]
(
;B[fm]BL[532.634]C[*** See variation.]
(
;W[jo]WL[512.088]C[*** See variation.]
;B[ip]BL[530.633]
;W[hp]WL[510.521]
;B[io]BL[528.662]
;W[in]WL[509.218]
;B[jn]BL[524.812]
;W[ko]WL[489.266]
;B[jm]BL[516.842]
;W[kq]WL[478.944]
;B[kr]BL[514.523]
;W[jr]WL[477.351]
;B[kp]BL[511.764]
;W[jp]WL[473.494]
;B[lq]BL[508.346]
;W[iq]WL[471.943]C[*** You have learned well, Grasshopper!]
;B[cl]BL[498.339]
;W[dm]WL[466.661]
;B[dl]BL[496.347]
(
;W[el]WL[465.3]C[*** See variation.]
;B[em]BL[494.338]
;W[cm]WL[461.019]
;B[dj]BL[491.371]
;W[ek]WL[458.89]
;B[di]BL[485.876]
(
;W[cj]WL[453.889]C[*** Not good. See variation.]
;B[dk]BL[484.053]
(
;W[eg]WL[449.087]C[*** See variation.]
;B[gk]BL[474.656]
;W[fg]WL[430.18]C[*** Good!]
;B[gf]BL[472.643]
(
;W[fj]WL[428.633]C[*** Too soon, I think. See varation.]
;B[fi]BL[468.454]
;W[gj]WL[426.429]
;B[gh]BL[461.913]
(
;W[gi]WL[423.567]C[*** Strengthens Black needlessly. See variation.]
;B[fh]BL[459.741]
;W[gg]WL[421.283]
;B[hh]BL[457.678]
;W[hf]WL[416.48]
;B[hg]BL[447.799]
;W[he]WL[414.037]
;B[hk]BL[431.764]
;W[dh]WL[379.424]
;B[ei]BL[428.552]
;W[oj]WL[370.865]C[*** Black looks too strong for the 3-3 invasion. This may be best.]
;B[nh]BL[423.335]
;W[om]WL[368.778]
;B[mm]BL[413.724]C[*** Good! Strongthens Black's stones while attacking.]
(
;W[mj]WL[362.268]C[*** See variations.]
;B[lh]BL[411.193]
;W[mo]WL[355.806]
;B[nn]BL[406.974]
;W[lm]WL[353.405]
;B[ll]BL[404.837]
;W[km]WL[349.638]
;B[kl]BL[402.755]
;W[ml]WL[344.704]
;B[mk]BL[383.961]
;W[nl]WL[343.041]
;B[lk]BL[380.183]
;W[oo]WL[335.577]
;B[on]BL[377.862]
;W[pn]WL[334.384]
;B[no]BL[367.405]
;W[np]WL[331.584]
;B[op]BL[365.332]
(
;W[mn]WL[322.113]
;B[po]BL[362.835]
;W[nm]WL[320.626]
;B[oo]BL[361.633]
;W[pm]WL[317.883]
;B[lj]BL[353.807]
;W[qq]WL[313.451]
;B[nq]BL[350.397]
(
;W[rp]WL[305.645]C[*** See variation. Last comment.]
;B[qn]BL[348.283]
;W[pk]WL[290.611]
;B[qk]BL[341.308]
;W[og]WL[286.857]
;B[qh]BL[333.917]
;W[pg]WL[283.223]
;B[qg]BL[331.717]
;W[of]WL[281.941]
;B[qb]BL[328.014]
;W[oc]WL[274.06]
;B[eb]BL[312.551]
;W[gb]WL[265.848]
;B[le]BL[307.945]
;W[lf]WL[261.004]
;B[bg]BL[296.244]
;W[bk]WL[228.705]
;B[bl]BL[293.438]
;W[bm]WL[225.407]
;B[al]BL[291.799]
;W[bh]WL[203.362]
;B[cg]BL[285.195]
;W[ch]WL[194.365]
;B[bq]BL[259.743]
;W[cr]WL[170.503]
;B[je]BL[257.237]
;W[jf]WL[167.553]
;B[ke]BL[251.81]
;W[kf]WL[166.138]
;B[lc]BL[247.825]
;W[md]WL[158.528]
;B[ld]BL[244.584]
;W[me]WL[137.241]
;B[if]BL[243.005]
;W[ie]WL[132.418]
;B[ig]BL[241.187]
;W[im]WL[116.977]
;B[jl]BL[238.154]
;W[ij]WL[112.377]
;B[ik]BL[235.696]
;W[kh]WL[109.977]
;B[ki]BL[226.695]
;W[jh]WL[106.84]
;B[ji]BL[224.713]
;W[ih]WL[102.469]
;B[ii]BL[222.896]
;W[gl]WL[88.117]
;B[fl]BL[220.662]
;W[fk]WL[86.47]
;B[la]BL[204.397]
;W[jb]WL[71.329]
;B[gd]BL[193.458]
;W[fd]WL[62.016]
;B[ge]BL[176.426]
;W[id]WL[26.235]
;B[fc]BL[167.252]
;W[dd]WL[18.954]
;B[ed]BL[149.069]
;W[dg]WL[4.166]
;B[hc]BL[126.249]
;OW[5]W[hd]WL[20.0]
;B[hb]BL[108.901]
;OW[5]W[ha]WL[20.0]
;B[ia]BL[104.289]
;OW[4]W[ib]WL[20.0]
;B[ga]BL[102.103]
;OW[4]W[ja]WL[20.0]
;B[ha]BL[93.387]
;OW[4]W[lb]WL[20.0]
;B[mb]BL[90.465]
;OW[4]W[kb]WL[20.0]
;B[mc]BL[87.726]
;OW[4]W[na]WL[20.0]
;B[ma]BL[85.859]
;OW[4]W[nb]WL[20.0]
;B[fb]BL[84.499]
;OW[4]W[db]WL[20.0]
;B[ic]BL[82.723]
;OW[4]W[jd]WL[20.0]
;B[gm]BL[54.696]
;OW[4]W[hl]WL[20.0]
;B[pr]BL[36.027]
;OW[4]W[qr]WL[20.0]
;B[pq]BL[30.633]
;OW[4]W[ro]WL[20.0]
;B[rn]BL[19.123]
;OW[4]W[so]WL[20.0]
;B[ql]BL[9.018]
;OW[4]W[il]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[hj]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[fp]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[ep]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[gp]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[eq]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[fn]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[en]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[gn]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[dp]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[cp]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[cq]BL[20.0]
;OW[4]W[dr]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[br]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[bs]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[er]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[bp]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[ds]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[aq]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[cs]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[dn]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[bn]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[am]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[an]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[ao]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[ar]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[ap]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[do]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[gr]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[cn]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[kq]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[lr]BL[20.0]
;OW[3]W[lp]WL[20.0]
;OB[5]B[mp]BL[20.0]C[Argitist \[7k\]\: ty
karakacan1 \[7k\]\: thx
]
)
(
;W[qn]
)
)
(
;W[po]
;B[mp]
;W[mn]
;B[nq]
;W[nm]
;B[np]
;W[pm]C[*** Better, eh?]
)
)
(
;W[qk]C[*** If this stone dies, White can strengthen his other stones.]
)
(
;W[ql]
)
(
;W[qn]
)
(
;W[oh]
;B[og]
;W[qi]
)
)
(
;W[hk]
;B[hl]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]
;W[hh]
;B[hi]
;W[ih]
(
;B[hj]
;W[gi]
;B[ej]
;W[fh]
;B[fk]
;W[ei]
)
(
;B[gi]
;W[hj]
;B[ii]
;W[il]
)
)
)
(
;W[gg]C[*** Lean one more time.]
;B[hf]
;W[fj]
)
)
(
;W[gk]
)
)
(
;W[gk]C[*** These stones are very important.]
;B[hm]
;W[fh]C[*** Difficult fight. Fortunately, Black has three weak groups to White's one.]
)
)
(
;W[em]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
(
;B[fn]
;W[cm]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[dr]
;W[cr]
;B[eq]
;W[cq]
;B[hm]
;W[fk]C[*** Difficult for Black.]
)
(
;B[gm]
;W[fk]
;B[cm]
;W[eo]
;B[cn]
;W[do]
;B[im]
;W[hl]
;B[hm]
;W[fh]C[*** Attack and defend at the same time.]
)
)
)
(
;W[jp]C[*** Attachment tends to strengthen both sides. But Black is already strong here.]
;B[kq]C[*** Hane probably helps White more than Black.]
;W[hm]
)
)
(
;B[jo]
;W[hm]
;B[fm]
)
)
(
;W[fo]C[*** Play on the frontier. This threatens to invade.]
)
(
;W[qq]C[*** A White threat for later.]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[oq]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[op]
;B[nq]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rr]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]C[*** Ko.]
)
)
(
;B[eo]C[*** A play on the frontier.]
)
)
(
;W[dc]C[*** White makes a base while preventing a base for Black. The weak group is a problem for Black.]
)
)
(
;B[gd]C[*** Attachment tends to strengthen both sides. White is already strong here.]
;W[hd]
;B[ge]
;W[fc]
;B[cc]C[*** Tesuji.]
;W[bc]
;B[db]
;W[de]
;B[ed]
;W[cb]
;B[he]
;W[id]
;B[cj]C[*** Black is busy, but that is the result of first, the approach, and second, running.]
)
)
(
;B[ch]
(
;W[de]
;B[ck]C[*** Black is willing to sacrifice the approach stone. It still has aji.]
)
(
;W[ed]
;B[ck]
)
(
;W[cj]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[dg]
;W[db]
;B[ge]C[*** Black is solid. White is thin on the left side.]
)
)
)
(
;W[dc]
;B[ed]
;W[de]
;B[hc]C[*** Not an ideal extension for Black.]
;W[ci]
)
)
(
;B[ci]C[*** This wedge is good. There is more room here.]
(
;W[cg]C[*** This extension is small, and the top is still open.]
;B[cl]
;W[ec]
;B[id]
)
(
;W[ck]
;B[cf]
;W[ed]
;B[ei]C[*** Black strengthens his position, looking at both the top side and the lower left side.]
;W[ek]
;B[eo]C[*** Big. A play on the frontier.]
)
)
)
(
;W[do]
)
)
(
;B[co]C[*** The Black stone on the bottom side hinders White's development.]
)
)
(
;W[ok]C[*** Reduction.]
;B[pl]C[*** If Black plays here, . . . ]
;W[qq]
)
)
(
;W[oj]C[*** A reducing play which puts the question to Black.]
(
;B[pl]C[*** This way?]
;W[qq]
)
(
;B[ph]C[*** Or this way?]
;W[qc]
)
)
)
(
;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[ic]C[*** Mini-Chinese.]
)
)
(
;B[ed]C[*** Black has a won game. {hehe} An exaggeration, OC, but Black takes the lead over the whole board.]
)
)
(
;W[dc]C[*** Better.]
)
)
(
;B[cd]C[*** This 3-4 faces the White 3-4.]
;W[qp]
;B[co]C[*** For instance.]
)
(
;B[dd]C[*** This 4-4 is better than the other one, because of its relation to the White 3-4.]
;W[qp]
;B[do]C[*** See? ]
)
)
(
;W[dp]C[*** Plainly equal.]
)
)
Re: First sgf post, please critique!
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:51 pm
by Argitist
Sweet, thanks for the comments, I know I need to fix my loose shapes, so you guys being able to point out exact areas is awesome. I'm going to have to go back over your posts, there's lots of information there!