Long time no see. I'm selling my Joseki Dictionary books by Ishida Yoshio. But I have no idea how much they're worth. does anyone have any ideas?
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:11 pm
by RobertJasiek
Any used book's price is determined mainly by these factors:
- supply & demand (for your book: ordinary)
- condition of the book (relevant factor for your book)
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:32 am
by BaghwanB
A quick look at AbeBooks shows the low price end for these to be around $15-$25 each (plus all the usual extras). But as Robert points out, what shape they are in can make a big difference. As someone who has been around various collectible scenes for a bit, I can say it all comes down to finding the "right" buyer for you, but the above figures seem to be on par (esp. considering "new" price from Kiseido is $25 each).
Bruce "Bookie" Young
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:55 am
by Magicwand
there is another factor robert missed.
if the book is written more than 10 years ago then the price will need to go down.
joseki is changing every year and old joseki book containing joseki that nobody uses should have lower price.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:40 am
by RobertJasiek
Which joseki dictionary contains only regularly used sequences? Many contain lots of tactically complicated variations useful for explanation but not for application. The Ishida is pretty typical in that respect. Although it has some outdated variations, finding them is actually not that easy. More relevant is, IMO, that the Ishida does not know the newer variations arisen after its publication. This does not make the Ishida useless though, provided one uses also other references for the more recent variations.
Takao's dictionary is advertised for the wrong reason. It is not the better successor of the Ishida. Rather it uses a different selection style: more simpler variations, fewer complicated variations. Either approach has its justification. In my next book, you will see that there are yet other approaches to exploring josekis in a dictionary manner.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:57 pm
by chef
So is it reasonable to sell the set for $75?
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:08 pm
by oren
That's what they cost new. I can't think that's reasonable for a used set.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:19 pm
by RobertJasiek
chef wrote:So is it reasonable to sell the set for $75?
If the condition is "as new", the buyer saves postage and does not have any risk.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:57 pm
by cyclops
Don't sell, don't leave go, don't leave the forum. You still owe us a good bouillabaisse
I like these books, they are well written. Just try to study a variation every once in a while.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:07 pm
by chef
cyclops wrote:Don't sell, don't leave go, don't leave the forum. You still owe us a good bouillabaisse
I like these books, they are well written. Just try to study a variation every once in a while.
Haha alright here it is
1 lb of assorted white fish and shell fish
1 carrot
1 onion
1 celery stalk
1 small fennel
2 liters fish stock
1 small pinch of saffron
1 cup Pernod
salt and pepper to taste
This is SOOOOO easy. Just roughly chop everything and dump everything into a pot and bring it to a boil. Reduce it to a simmer and simmer for about 30 miuntes. Put in a blender and puree it. Strain it through a strainer. Adjust the thickness and seasoning. Eat with croutons.
I'm not leaving the forum or the game. I just needed to get rid of some stuff. Although I haven't played in a while the game is still a part of me.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:52 pm
by Magicwand
chef
i think you should make a you tube video.
i am sure i will watch that.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:31 am
by RobertJasiek
cyclops wrote:they are well written.
The Ishida (or most other dictionaries) is not well written. It contains much information but leaves the reader alone with deciphering it.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:48 am
by cyclops
Off course I should have defined "well written". But to me the quality of the used language ( English ) is one aspect of it. In that respect I appreciate Ishida much more than your book "Joseki". To me it seems you usually overruled your language advisors.
edit: I deleted a first reaction because it was Off Topic and would presumably start a discussion at the wrong time.
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:11 am
by RobertJasiek
EDIT: Oh, after noticing your link, I wonder whether you want to discuss the topic at all. Therefore let me hide what could become an unncessary OT discussion:
cyclops wrote:the quality of the used language ( English ) is one aspect of it. In that respect I appreciate Ishida much more than your book "Joseki".
Before we enter a long OT discussion, can you please specify whether you refer to Joseki Vol. 1 or Vol. 2? Which edition of the Ishida do you have? Mine is of 1977, translated by John Power.
To me it seems you usually overruled your language advisors.
I always overruled them with respect to go terms because 1) many terms are new and 2) my knowledge of old terms is better than theirs. I accepted (probably by far) most of the corrections not related to go terms. In case of suggestions of alternatives, I accepted roughly a half. So to get a meaningful discussion, you need to specify whether what you (dis)like refers to go terms or to other English.
How great a relevance do you associate with a book's non-go-term language in comparison to its contents? I put it at about 1:100, except that it must have only occasional typos. Is your desired ratio completely different? Would you burn New Moves (Dinerstein) because of its many typos?
Can you give examples illustrating why you find Ishida's English more attractive?
Re: Can I get a quote on some books?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:25 am
by oren
RobertJasiek wrote:
The Ishida (or most other dictionaries) is not well written. It contains much information but leaves the reader alone with deciphering it.
I don't own it, but I have read sections at the go center. I would also say it's well written.
