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Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:08 am
by christian freeling
Pascal Huybers runs the
dutch Go startpage and is a far better Go player than his opponent - but the latter is hardly exceptional
.
Christian Freeling co-runs
mindsports.nl .
Sygo is a Go variant featuring [sl=OthelloanianCapture]othelloanian capture[/sl] and a move protocol that gives players the choice to either grow any or all of their groups by one stone, or start a new group. The game displayed here is mirrored from
the same game at mindsports (please note that both 'I' and 'J' are used in the Sygo coordinate system and that white begins).
Sygo games usually take around thirty moves each.
[sl=Sygo]Sygo rules at Sensei's[/sl]
Sygo finished games at mindsports $$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1
White has kept his distance, pending black's using, or not using, his turn-order prerogative. You don't want to be surprised by a tactical attack by growth
and a single placement in the same turn.
At the same time, preventing black from doing so by making a growing move with white, would hand over the initiative to black, and three white 2-groups isn't quite enough compensation for that in this position (I think), so I moved
to bear down on
a bit.
The alternative, terminating black's turn-order prerogative, would have been to
grow , for instance:
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1This would give black the initiative in terms of being the player to move with an equal number of groups on the board.
This initiative allows a player to start growing, later on, with the opponent lagging behind. At the same time the opponent cannot start growing without allowing the player who has the initiative an extra group to grow at.
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:40 am
by topazg
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:06 am
by christian freeling
You guys know more about him than I
. We've played quite a lot of Havannah between us at LG (
Pascal Huybers ).
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:00 pm
by christian freeling
$$Bcm8
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After
the decision to make is: grow and thus terminate black's prerogative, or keek the initiative in terms of the number of groups. This is a grey area, but I don't like to see four black 2-groups plus a black stone next move, for instance in between two whites top or right, so I'm happy to give up initiative for solidity here.
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:38 am
by christian freeling
$$Bcm8
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm8
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:21 am
by christian freeling
$$Bcm12
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Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:01 pm
by topazg
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:41 am
by christian freeling
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm14
topazg wrote: @Christian:
I wanted support for the white centerstone, As a very rough estimate I figured black controls about a third and a sixth (the black stone top right - if it lives). I wasn't particularly interested in a centerfight, but there you are. Connecting out of atari will reduce the number of groups for a defender, but so will capturing a single by the attacker. It's hard to say, we're both new at the game, and your judgement is probably better than mine anyway.
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:16 am
by topazg
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:40 am
by christian freeling
@topazg:
topazg wrote: @Christian:
You're a player, which I admire because I lack the abilities to become one. I don't know about other inventors, but I'm wired for inductive thinking (including the inherent frequent mistakes) and I understand 'organic' games in that way. I'm good at guessing how a game will behave generally, including the degree of tactical finesse it will eventually reveal, but I'm less than average in specific positions, and cannot keep up analysis to a degree that would really benefit my play. I thrive on tactical opportunism and as much streetfighter strategy as I can manage.
So regarding the evolving centerfight ... better ask me when it's over
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:47 pm
by christian freeling
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm16
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:07 pm
by topazg
Hidden:
My guess:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm16 I'm thinking this game is over now ..
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:41 am
by christian freeling
$$Bcm18
25 |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm18
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:26 am
by topazg
I was close ... try again
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm18
Re: Sygo - Christian Freeling vs Pascal Huybers
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:18 pm
by christian freeling
$$Bcm20
32 |
24
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . . . . |
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm20
.
to bear down on 
a bit.
. We've played quite a lot of Havannah between us at LG (
the decision to make is: grow and thus terminate black's prerogative, or keek the initiative in terms of the number of groups. This is a grey area, but I don't like to see four black 2-groups plus a black stone next move, for instance in between two whites top or right, so I'm happy to give up initiative for solidity here. 
11 | 
7
