This is the first Malkovitch game for either of us. Wanderling has agreed to play an even game, I will do my best to keep the game very interesting as thanks. We have chosen for color through PM. I won and am taking Black.
Edit: Just to mention Komi is 6.5, we decided this in PM and forgot to mention.
My initial game plan here(exact placement of 2 and 4 not important for comments purpose.). solid territory is something I value as Black. Aiming for immediate enclosure of one corner and a likely pincer follow up. W approach at a, B at b. I will probably enclose the second corner if W does not approach.
But we will see if W does anything unexpected with his initial moves.
Since my last post I've learned about the shusaku fuseki.. If he opens in the bottom left I think I'll try it out this game.
Lets get this game started good sir!
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:57 am
by Wanderling
Q4
Hi all, thanks for watching. Like Twitchy said, this is my first Malkovich. I have been playing Go since last January and am in the vicinity of single-digit kyu although I think I am still double-digit. I don't study much nor am very competitive, I like to play for fun, watch other people and pros. I play very poorly on KGS and am 14k there. I have been playing Sanrensei lately
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:30 am
by Twitchy Go
Feel free to keep posting your moves as cordinates, or make diagrams of your own. I am fine with either system
Ok, he played in the bottom right( ). I can try the shusaku fuseki now! I do hope he doesn't take that last corner. For one thing I wouldn't be able to play there myself. And for another thing... that results in me having an pincer-extension to any approach of the top left
I think this would leave black with an advantage. I doubt I have the skill to capitalize... but my plan for this game now is to try out shusaku's fuseki. So I'd rather have an approach on the marked stone. I've tried on KGS..but they always take the wrong corners
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:31 am
by EdLee
Is this open or closed book?
Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:Ok, he played in the bottom left.
The other left.
Twitchy Go wrote:I do hope he doesn't take that last corner.
Not Go.
Re:
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:42 am
by Twitchy Go
EdLee wrote: Is this open or closed book?
We are not using joseki dictionaries or databases.
@observers
Which could be a problem as I only know the first 7 or so moves of this fuseki after flipping through the sample chapters of Invincible in smart go books.
Well I think I can play some quasi-joseki.. or rather joseki I remember just well enough to mess up. I can't wait for the first 10-20 moves to be over. By that point any studying I put into this opening shouldn't be able to affect the game. It's killing me to wait.
Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 am
by Wanderling
Closed
D4
Re:
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 11:44 am
by Twitchy Go
Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:Ok, he played in the bottom left.
The other left.
Twitchy Go wrote:I do hope he doesn't take that last corner.
Well that was disappointing
Well I suppose Edlee called it in a sense. Lets see if he approaches my 3-4 point then.
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:25 pm
by EdLee
Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:What do you mean with your second statement?
I understand the feeling: once in a while a situation comes up with a possible variation that I'm inexperienced with,
and I hope my opponent would play it, so that I can experience it and learn from it.
But, if I make a mistake, or, if there's a big point or good move left on the board,
and I hope my opponent would not see it (and so he would not play it), that's not Go.
So if you considered the last empty corner D4 to be the biggest move on the board,
but at the same time you hoped he would not play it... c'mon.
Re:
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:53 pm
by Twitchy Go
@EdLee
EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:What do you mean with your second statement?
I understand the feeling: once in a while a situation comes up with a possible variation that I'm inexperienced with,
and I hope my opponent would play it, so that I can experience it and learn from it.
But, if I make a mistake, or, if there's a big point or good move left on the board,
and I hope my opponent would not see it (and so he would not play it), that's not Go.
So if you considered the last empty corner D4 to be the biggest move on the board,
but at the same time you hoped he would not play it... c'mon.
I actually don't think the last corner is the most urgent for W. Biggest perhaps(?), but from what I understand of this fuseki.
W wants to approach with 4 and 6. Black will play a, if no komi(because its slower. Has great follow ups though). b if komi(faster and still keeps pressure on white.) and it continues from there.
If instead W takes the 2nd starpoint. B gets an enclosure and now any approach on the upper left 3-4 will be met by a pincer-extension.
I don't think this result is favorable for W. And as a result hoped that he would approach my 1 stone instead. I feel that Whit 4 in diagram 1 to be a more correct response(albeit my knowledge is far from even amateurish on the subject.) But like I said in my comments, can I back up the advantage I believe dia 2 gives me?
Twitchy Go wrote:most urgent for W. Biggest perhaps(?)
Most urgent = biggest.
Re:
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:26 pm
by Twitchy Go
EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:most urgent for W. Biggest perhaps(?)
Most urgent = biggest.
Then I guess its not the biggest. If I were playing W, I would have approached with my second move. I feel that that is the best move W has.
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:32 pm
by EdLee
Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:Then I guess its not the biggest. If I were playing W, I would have approached with my second move. I feel that that is the best move W has.
Taking the empty corner and approaching a 3-4 are about the same. No problem.
I would play at D4 like Wanderling.
Re:
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:59 pm
by Twitchy Go
EdLee wrote:Twitchy Go,
Twitchy Go wrote:Then I guess its not the biggest. If I were playing W, I would have approached with my second move. I feel that that is the best move W has.
Taking the empty corner and approaching a 3-4 are about the same. No problem.
I would play at D4 like Wanderling.
I suppose I might be being a bit too black and white about the move quality. It really could just be chalked up to stylistic preference. I still stand by my previous statement that I think the approach is slightly better for W.
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:55 am
by EdLee
Twitchy Go,
Taking the empty corner and approaching a 3-4 are about the same. No problem. <-- PRO OPINION
Twitchy Go wrote:I still stand by my previous statement that I think the approach is slightly better for W.
It's certainly your privilege to disagree with pro opinion.
We have chosen for color through PM. I won and am taking Black. 
). I can try the shusaku fuseki now! I do hope he doesn't take that last corner. For one thing I wouldn't be able to play there myself. And for another thing... that results in me having an pincer-extension to any approach of the top left
Is this open or closed book?
at D4 like Wanderling.