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#171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:26 am
by hyperpape
Even game, 6.5 komi.

This game, I'm actually supposed to nigiri.

:white: :white: :white:


Admin: I've butchered illluck's name. Any chance that can be fixed?

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:42 am
by EdLee
Good game.
hyperpape wrote:Admin: I've butchered illluck's name. Any chance that can be fixed?
How did you butcher it?

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:10 am
by illluck
Hehe, common mistake.

Mmmm, odd?

Your move, I guess. Have fun :)

Edit: Removed board as it was taking up space.

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:16 am
by hyperpape
Ed: it's illluck--lower case 'i', then three 'l's.

illluck: Also I meant to do three stones but had a formatting snafu. So I think you got the nigiri right.

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:23 am
by illluck
Hehe, ok, black it is then :)

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I have a few interesting 4-4 sequences I saw a few days back and would like a chance to try them (mostly stemming from one-space low pincer and then jump with the pincer stone rather than the hoshi stone if opponent jumps out).

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:41 am
by hyperpape
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I'm not going to pretend that anything but nervous to play a game with a bunch of players watching, and having to explain my moves.

I'm pretty sure this one isn't a mistake yet.

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:46 am
by illluck
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Diagonal, I like diagonal :p

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:21 pm
by hyperpape
Are we using joseki or game databases?

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I'm not in love with diagonal openings. Perhaps I should play in the opposite corner to prevent them. A long time ago, I played parallel, and had an anti-chinese fuseki strategy. Since then, I've become comfortable playing against the Chinese, and I don't feel the need to "counter" it.

I played around with each of the 3-3, 3-4, 4-5 and 3-5 moves here, but everything felt awkward. Not wrong necessarily, but never anything I could look at and say "I know what my stones are doing and what they want."

If I'm here to learn from what others have to say, I should pick the best move I can think of. But if I can't decide, I should pick the move that would be my most normal response. Then I get feedback on my ordinary thought processes.

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:52 pm
by illluck
I don't see why not, should be useful for learning.

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Hehe, looks like ancient Chinese game. Will white play 6 as below? :p

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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:58 pm
by hyperpape
Observers only:
Recently some thread on the board had me thinking about my strengths and weaknesses as a go player. I tend to play in a territorial way, almost passively even, and when I try to combat that, I just end up playing unreasonable attacks.

In particular, I'm bad at the kind of attack where you profit by steadily putting pressure on an opponent, but there's no way to kill immediately. I struggle to read past the initial move and its response. I'm also weak at tsumego and tesuji problems. I don't think my opening is particularly good, either. I think I often make up points in the endgame, but only because I try half the time and the average kyu player tries one time in ten. Oh, I don't count much either, which is crazy, because I have exactly the kind of style where I should constantly be counting.

You can't be bad at everything, at least compared to people your rank, there has to be something that balances out your weaknesses. I think I can often play patiently and carefully. Yeah, sometimes I play blitz and play every cut in sight, but more often, I play steadily. And if I have a lead, I'm pretty good at preserving it, I think (but see the point about counting).

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. Illuck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:39 pm
by hyperpape
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:06 pm
by EdLee
hyperpape wrote:Ed: it's illluck--lower case 'i', then three 'l's.
Is it better now? :)

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:04 pm
by illluck
EdLee wrote:
hyperpape wrote:Ed: it's illluck--lower case 'i', then three 'l's.
Is it better now? :)

Yes, thanks a lot :)

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Not much to be said here. I briefly considered an extension on the bottom, but I don't think either is wrong and I prefer this one. I have a variation here that I want to experiment with, but Hyperpape probably won't play the contact.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:56 pm
by hyperpape
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Today is actually my first day using kombilo. It seems we're in relatively rare territory already. Assuming a, the conventional wisdom is b, and I don't know that I have reason to doubt it.

Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:01 pm
by illluck
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