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36. walleye (2k) vs. Phelan (7k)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:10 am
by Phelan
walleye and I agreed on eight stones handicap. I'm creating the thread.
$$Wcm1 Eight handicap stones
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Eight handicap stonesYour move. Have a good game!
I love high handicap games, as black. Lots of influence to go around.
I hope this game will show my weak points better than the rengo game.
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:18 am
by Magicwand
Phelan wrote:
I love high handicap games, as black. Lots of influence to go around.
I hope this game will show my weak points better than the rengo game.
Phelan may read it and you
may not get offended!
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:55 am
by Phelan
Magicwand wrote: Phelan wrote:
I love high handicap games, as black. Lots of influence to go around.
I hope this game will show my weak points better than the rengo game.
Phelan may read it and you
may not get offended!
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:06 pm
by walleye
My first objective is to spread my stones around. So many black stones everywhere make me uncomfortable. I want to see white on every side.
The point of my move is to attack the corner, put pressure on Black's side stone below, and to have an easy access to the center. The placement is a bit unusual (R14 would be normal) but I think it's OK for a high handicap game.
If Black touches me with
, I might even ignore it for a short while. I really don't want to start local battles before I plant my stones on most sides. It is too easy for Black to launch a good attack if I start doing something locally. Then Black will most likely get thickness, and the game will simplify for him considerably. That's why I want to spread my stones around. They will erase any thickness Black may build after we start fighting.
If Black pushes further with
, I will treat my stone there as a reduction move and attack the other corner with double approach. I don't mind giving black a bit of territory. It's thickness I'm afraid of.
$$Bcm1
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Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 6:40 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Is it just me or does walleye's move seem to be THE way to open in 8-9 stone handicap games?
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 9:57 pm
by Chew Terr
Dusk Eagle wrote: Is it just me or does walleye's move seem to be THE way to open in 8-9 stone handicap games?
Huh, never even seen it in one. Lesson learned.
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 1:58 am
by Phelan
$$Bcm2
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I agree with dusk eagle, that move seems hard to deal with. Maybe on 9 stones it would be easier, since I can run out with the middle stone in case of a pincer, but I don't know here.
By the way, shouldn't your comments be hidden?
$$Bcm2 Expected
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm2 ExpectedI expect either this pincer or something similar, if he plays near that corner. An approach on any of the other two corners seems good too.
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 7:29 am
by Chew Terr
The comment wasn't hidden because it only affects things that have already happened, and nothing forwards from there.
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 9:43 pm
by walleye
I was thinking about approaching from the other side at first (at a). This would split the board in two on large scale.
However, I want to put more pressure on Black's stones on the bottom right after I attack at b.
I need to create a favorable position for fighting, where I have as many stones as Black.
I could attack at b immediately, but I want to avoid early battles before I spread around a bit.
$$Bcm2
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Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 4:29 pm
by Phelan
$$Bc Move 4
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I'm tempted to start fighting by attaching
$$Bcm4
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm4But walleye would probably approach from the other corner at
, or tenuki.
My move above seems to both claim part of the corner, and support the side hoshi stone.
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:54 pm
by walleye
$$Bc
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Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 3:51 am
by Phelan
$$Bc
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I guess it's time to start fighting.
I expect something like this(not sure about 3):
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcOr a tenuki to the other side:
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcI think I can deal with either of them...
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:57 pm
by walleye
$$Bc
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Black restricted the movement of my stone at R6, so I need to help it. I could simply jump out and then attack the side stone.
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcThis looks all right but it does feel like I'm giving Black too much easy territory on the bottom. Black is also reinforcing his side stones at K4.
I played the game move to restrict the corner and put some pressure on K4.
Playing on the forth line would have been safer but... safety last, after all it is an 8 stone handicap game.
$$Wc
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Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:14 pm
by SpongeBob
Re: Malkovich #36 - walleye vs Phelan (8 stones)
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:45 pm
by Dusk Eagle
No need to hide comments for the players I belive
I think the reason is that just a few days ago Phelan was listing himself as a 9k.
, I might even ignore it for a short while. I really don't want to start local battles before I plant my stones on most sides. It is too easy for Black to launch a good attack if I start doing something locally. Then Black will most likely get thickness, and the game will simplify for him considerably. That's why I want to spread my stones around. They will erase any thickness Black may build after we start fighting.
, I will treat my stone there as a reduction move and attack the other corner with double approach. I don't mind giving black a bit of territory. It's thickness I'm afraid of.
, or tenuki.
