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Nascent's JS&I - Game 2
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:50 pm
by nascent
The second game I lost this year. It was played on January 2, 2013. The first loss of the year was posted
here. I'll catch up to my current losses before too long.
In this game, I thought I was doing pretty well, then my opponent proceded to invade and reduce my framework, cut my groups, and prove to me that my confidence was sorely inappropriate.
I made several mistakes, more frequently as the game went on, until I self-atari'd a large group.
I probably should have resigned well before that sequence anyway.
I really have a lot of work ahead of me when it comes to improving my game.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
--nascent--
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[GoPanda:1.0]ST[1]
SZ[19]KM[6.5]
PW[sf40769]WR[12k]PB[Nascent]BR[12k?]RE[W+R]DT[2013-01-02]PC[IGS-PandaNet]
C[*sf40769*: Hi!
Nascent: Hi!]
;B[qd]
;W[pq]
;B[dd]
;W[cp]
;B[kc]
;W[jp]
;B[po]
;W[np]
;B[no]
;W[mo]
;B[nn]
;W[rq]
;B[op]
;W[oq]
;B[mp]
;W[nq]
;B[lo]
;W[lp]
;B[mn]
;W[mq]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[kq]
;W[jo]
;B[ko]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]
;W[jr]
;B[cn]
;W[ep]
;B[dl]
;W[ci]
;B[bk]
;W[bj]
;B[ck]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]
;W[gq]
;B[qp]
;W[qq]
;B[rp]
;W[sp]
;B[so]
;W[sq]
;B[rn]
;W[ec]
;B[df]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]
;W[dh]
;B[eh]
;W[ei]
;B[ce]
;W[bf]
;B[be]
;W[af]
;B[ef]
;W[hc]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[jc]
;W[cb]
;B[fc]
;W[fb]
;B[ed]
;W[eb]
;B[hd]
;W[gc]
;B[gd]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[ib]
;B[fi]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]
;W[pj]
;B[pg]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]
;W[om]
;B[qm]
;W[ql]
;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]
;B[qk]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]
;W[rj]
;B[rl]
;W[oi]
;B[ng]
;W[rg]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]
;B[qg]
;W[re]
;B[qe]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]
;W[sf]
;B[pf]
;W[rf]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[mh]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]
;B[pb]
;W[rb]
;B[nj]
;W[oj]
;B[ni]
;W[ml]
;B[lm]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[ll]
;B[lj]
;W[kj]
;B[li]
;W[ij]
;B[kk]
;W[jk]
;B[kl]
;W[km]
;B[jl]
;W[il]
;B[jm]
;W[im]
;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[kn]
;W[ki]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[mm]
;W[oh]
;B[og]
;W[ig]
;B[ih]
;W[jh]
;B[ii]
;W[ji]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]
;B[gj]
;W[kg]
;B[hg]
;W[ek]
;B[el]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]
;W[fl]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]
;B[en]
;W[hh]
;B[gh]
;W[hi]
;B[gg]
;W[mf]
;B[lf]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[ke]
;B[kd]
;W[je]
;B[jd]
;W[do]
;B[dn]
;W[co]
;B[go]
;W[gn]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]
;B[hn]
;W[fo]
;B[hm]
;W[ho]
;B[hl]
;W[em]C[Nascent: thank you for the game.]
)
Re: Nascent's JS&I - Game 2
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:13 am
by SoDesuNe
Some comments, ideas etc. : )
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[sf40769]PB[Nascent]WR[12k]BR[12k]DT[2013-01-02]PC[IGS-PandaNet]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[pq]
;B[dd]
;W[cp]
;B[kc]
;W[jp]C[Strange play.]
;B[po]
;W[np]
;B[no]LB[qq:A]C[Common Joseki is at A.
Get in the corner to make eye-shape and get some territory.]
;W[mo]
;B[nn]
;W[rq]TR[nn][no][po]C[Now these stones feel somewhat displaced. What do they achieve?]
;B[op]
;W[oq]LB[nq:A]C[White should descend at A.]
;B[mp]
;W[nq]
;B[lo]
;W[lp]
;B[mn]
;W[mq]
;B[kp]
;W[lq]
;B[kq]LB[ko:A]C[I don't like the cut at A. You could think about just connecting and letting White decide what to do. Makes you stronger in the center.
Your result is quite good with all this influence.]
;W[jo]C[Don't peep where you can cut.]
;B[ko]C[Thank you, White!]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]
;W[jr]C[All the last plays were very questionable from White. He just achieved to strengthen Black and force him to seperate his groups.]
;B[cn]C[Seems good direction to me.]
;W[ep]
;B[dl]LB[dj:B][dk:A]C[I would play something bigger. A or B.]
;W[ci]
;B[bk]LB[ck:A]C[A is shape.]
;W[bj]
;B[ck]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]C[Good.]
;W[gq]C[White is very overcentrated down there. And his group in the top left is still weak.]
;B[qp]LB[ef:A]TR[bk][ck][dl][cn]C[Small.
A enlargens your top and attacks the White group. You just need to be careful about your marked stones.]
;W[qq]
;B[rp]LB[ef:A][pi:B]C[Still A.
You do make a nice wall here but White has all the room in the world to split you and settle himself on the right side (at B perhabps). You can of course still profit from this but I think a move at A has more purpose.]
;W[sp]
;B[so]
;W[sq]
;B[rn]
;W[ec]
;B[df]LB[ed:A][ef:B]C[First A then B (B does not strengthen White as this move does), I'd say.
But splitting attack is very good.]
;W[dg]
;B[eg]LB[ef:A]C[I think A is more solid when you want to attack later on else you leave a cutting point behind.]
;W[dh]
;B[eh]LB[gc:A]C[Pushing from behind.
Maybe attack around A now?]
;W[ei]
;B[ce]C[Shape is not good for Black.]
;W[bf]
;B[be]LB[gc:A][ef:B]TR[ec]C[Small.
I'd still play A but you may have to sacrifice some stones because of the cutting point at B.]
;W[af]
;B[ef]LB[gc:A]C[This is solid but too slow here, I think. Better at A.]
;W[hc]C[Now White has sufficient shape on both sides and you didn't really profit.]
;B[id]C[Good direction!]
;W[ic]
;B[jc]
;W[cb]
;B[fc]C[Hm, nice move in general but you need to make it work then ; )]
;W[fb]LB[gc:A]C[White should have played at A, I think.]
(;B[ed]C[See variation.]
;W[eb]
;B[hd]
;W[gc]
;B[gd]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]
;W[ib]
;B[fi]LB[od:B][pg:A]C[A helps defend an invasion at B.
This Hane is also big but it helps White to weaken your lower left side group.]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]C[Still the same. You surround your own group.]
;W[pj]
;B[pg]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]LB[ni:A][bp:B]C[What do you fear?
Maybe around A to make a bigger center? Or B to help your group.]
;W[om]
;B[qm]
;W[ql]
;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]
;B[qk]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]
;W[rj]
;B[rl]C[This sequence helped White to strengthen himself.]
;W[oi]LB[ni:A]C[A is more flexible here.]
;B[ng]LB[nj:A]C[Peep at A first, I'd say.]
;W[rg]
;B[qh]LB[rf:A]C[If you can't cut, don't try.
Play A to enclose him.]
;W[rh]
;B[qg]C[Empty triangle.]
;W[re]
;B[qe]LB[rd:A]C[Why not at A?]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]C[Why?]
;W[sf]
;B[pf]
;W[rf]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[mh]LB[nj:A]C[Still A first, I think.]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]
;B[pb]
;W[rb]
;B[nj]
;W[oj]
;B[ni]LB[bp:A]TR[nj]C[Small. Better at A.
White is alive on the right side, you don't need to surround him and after the marked stone is played you should take of your weak group. Your center is big enough,]
;W[ml]
;B[lm]LB[bp:A]C[White's and your own group are alive. This move just forces White into your center.
You don't need any more stones there. Help your left side group (A).]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]C[If you can't cut, don't try.]
;W[ll]
;B[lj]
;W[kj]
;B[li]
;W[ij]
;B[kk]
;W[jk]
;B[kl]
;W[km]
;B[jl]
;W[il]
;B[jm]
;W[im]
;B[jn]
;W[in]
;B[kn]C[This sequence... you captured one stone but lost a whole lot more in the center. Don't just cut everywhere, try to read what happens and look if the result is good for you.]
;W[ki]C[And now your center is pretty much gone.]
;B[nl]LB[kg:B][bp:A]C[Still A. Maybe B if you are confident in your Life and Death.]
;W[nk]
;B[mm]
;W[oh]
;B[og]LB[of:A][bp:B]C[Don't answer this move. You can still block at A larter and nothing will happen.
Still B.]
;W[ig]
;B[ih]LB[bp:A]C[You are being too aggressive here. If you can't cut, don't try.
I think you need some moves to help your group soon.]
;W[jh]
;B[ii]
;W[ji]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]
;B[gj]
;W[kg]
;B[hg]
;W[ek]
;B[el]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]
;W[fl]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]
;B[en]
;W[hh]
;B[gh]LB[hf:E][gg:D][fh:C][gh:B][hi:A]C[Why this move?
A-E works?]
;W[hi]
;B[gg]LB[hf:A][lf:B][bp:C]C[A is better shape locally.
B is bigger.
C is more urgent.
END OF COMMENTS.]
;W[mf]
;B[lf]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[ke]
;B[kd]
;W[je]
;B[jd]
;W[do]
;B[dn]
;W[co]
;B[go]
;W[gn]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]
;B[hn]
;W[fo]
;B[hm]
;W[ho]
;B[hl]
;W[em])
(;B[eb]C[Tesuji.]
(;W[db]
;B[gb]
;W[ea]
;B[gc]C[You cut White.])
(;W[gc]
;B[dc]
;W[fd]
;B[db]C[Also cut.])
(;W[dc]
;B[gb]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]
;W[ha]
;B[fa]
;W[hb]
;B[ia])))
Re: Nascent's JS&I - Game 2
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:27 pm
by billywoods
An expansion on one of SoDesuNe's comments. I'm a little unsure of it, but this is at least how I think:
Move 9: when you approach a corner (with move 7), your opponent can choose to pincer or to simply stabilise their corner stone. If the latter, then they have two choices: make a base in the corner (kind of rare, but see moves 8-15 of the previous game you posted) or make a base on the side (the usual thing to do). It's unusual for you to want to let your opponent get both - why would you bother to approach a corner if you're willing to let your opponent get all the local profit? Well, there is one good answer to that: if you're getting more profit on the outside, e.g. by building a moyo or something. But your right-hand side is far too wide open at this point, and anything you build this early will be invaded or reduced very easily. As SoDesuNe says at move 41, your thickness pointing towards the right side is impressive, but the whole side is still very wide open - you're unlikely to turn it into big territory, and if white invades, white is unlikely to get a weak group you can chase around. A move like Q11 is big for both sides, I think.
Re: Nascent's JS&I - Game 2
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:44 pm
by nascent
Thank you again, SodesuNe and billywoods!
I'll look closely at your sugestions, instructions, and variations.
I'm finding this very helpful.
I'll add the anotated game record to my
study journal as soon as I can!
--nascent--