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#206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:44 am
by Dusk Eagle
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Two stone handicap game. Good luck and have fun lovelove!
It's time to du-du-du-duel!

From reading his comments on this site I can tell he has a better understanding of the game than me. And just based on his rank I suspect his reading is better than mine as well. But all I need to do his believe in the heart of the cards stones, and I can prevail against any challenge.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:04 am
by lovelove
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:48 am
by Dusk Eagle
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When you defeat your opponent, can you definitely say that you don't think "I hit him! All right!" and hold pride in your skill, that you don't have even a little moment where you feel a sense of achievement in your work?

Seems as good as any other move.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:23 am
by lovelove
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All I need to do is to wait for mistakes.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:00 am
by Dusk Eagle
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I considered various pincers, but if he just invades the 3-3 and and we play the standard sequence that ends in gote for him, my next sente move doesn't seem particularly important. It's certainly a viable way to play; it's just not what I want to do.

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:58 am
by lovelove
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Handicap joseki.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:12 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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"Ooh, yeah, you're real scary."

So, this seems like the kind of move he's playing simply because it's a handicap game. The way I see it, I've now got two separate groups I can target.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:52 pm
by lovelove
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Need to be fast.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 am
by Uberdude
lovelove wrote:Handicap joseki.

Need to be fast.


W is playing quite thin overplayey handi style. It's only 2 stones. You can win playing normally if you are 2 stones stronger. You only need to win by 0.5 points after 300 moves, no need to rush to catch up.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:48 am
by Magicwand
Uberdude wrote:
lovelove wrote:Handicap joseki.

Need to be fast.


W is playing quite thin overplayey handi style. It's only 2 stones. You can win playing normally if you are 2 stones stronger. You only need to win by 0.5 points after 300 moves, no need to rush to catch up.

but it is comfortable 2 stone handy... white can afford playing thin.

i played defensive move black play many many many times during my handycap game..
i dont remember winning any game with that defensive move.
i think playing as below is better approach.
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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:09 am
by mitsun
Uberdude wrote:
lovelove wrote:Handicap joseki.
Need to be fast.

W is playing quite thin overplayey handi style. It's only 2 stones. You can win playing normally if you are 2 stones stronger. You only need to win by 0.5 points after 300 moves, no need to rush to catch up.

Agree. Looking at the whole board, which stone appears the least useful? Surely the W stone at M3 would be criticized in an even game. Anyway, now Q10 looks ideal for B.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:14 am
by Dusk Eagle
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To pincer, or not to pincer? That is the question.

Yet another case where I don't really know what's best in the opening. On one hand, it would drive a wedge between his two stones, but on the other, his potential for development along the right side is already hindered by my stone on the second line. As well, if I try to develop the right side, I don't feel it would be all that hard for him to reduce to too few points. That is what makes me feel it's best just to extend calmly. He could do something like below, but that's not really that threatening, so I doubt he'll do it right now. I expect something more creative.

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:16 am
by lovelove
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Only move.

Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:49 am
by Dusk Eagle
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While :b1: would be a nice move in the future, it's too small right now. The left side has the most potential right now, so that's where I'll play. His right side is manageable even if he adds another move. One thing I don't want to do is follow my opponent around.

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Re: #206 Dusk Eagle vs lovelove

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:54 am
by lovelove
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Not good to pincer now.