Life In 19x19

Hi all

I am a new Go player who started playing last year, then had to take a break due to work commitments.

I really need some assistance with my Go game if anyone can offer some pointers, to get me moving through the kyu grades.

I am working my way through a number of books currently and play on both kgs (21 kyu) and dgs (29 kyu).

I am only in temporary work contracts at the moment otherwise I would look at making a financial arrangement with a teacher.

If anyone can offer any support or suggestions I'd appreciate it.

Regards

markeemark

Welcome. There are people on KGS and here who are happy to help you.
If you haven't finished 100 games already, try to finish 100 games as quickly as you can.

EdLee wrote:[..] try to finish 100 games as quickly as you can.

Wasn’t it “Lose your first 100 games as quickly as you can?”



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Bonobo wrote:Wasn’t it “Lose your first 100 games as quickly as you can?”

Exactly -- I like "finish" much better.
(In practice, it really doesn't matter -- the point is that the most important thing at this phase is experience --
win or lose, how many games exactly, etc. are not important. Just play! )

markeemark wrote:I am working my way through a number of books currently[...]

Which ones are you working on?

Hi All

Thanks for the comments, I play a little on kgs and have a number of games on DGS going on at the moment.

I'm going to my first tournament this saturday in Oxford, as I haven't played much over the board Go.

SoDesuNe the current books im going through are: 1001 problems ( a Chinese book that a friend of mine bought last year for me).

Yang's fundamental principles of Go
Kageyama's Lessons in the fundamentals of Go.
Yangs workshop series vol 1-6.
Davies Tesuji book.

Ive got a few others book im trying to be a little more structured though and build up a routine of working methodically through the information I have. Although in saying that I recently treated myself to vol 1 of Lee Sedol's book and Attack and Defence, a book that was recommended to me. I've also downloaded A book by Go Seigen which looks excellent, and im starting to read it when im not studying the above books.

If anyone has any other recommendations (or books that I should steer clear of) I'd appreciate their input.

Regards

Mark

Hi Mark,

markeemark wrote:Davies Tesuji book.

If anyone has any other recommendations (or books that I should steer clear of) I'd appreciate their input.

Feel free to read any book that you enjoy, but just be aware that
the Davies's The Elementary Go Series may be a bit too difficult for you
(maybe for around 5k level or better) -- again, if you enjoy reading it, that's great.

You may also enjoy The Second Book of Go by Richard Bozulich.

EdLee wrote:Hi Mark,

markeemark wrote:Davies Tesuji book.

If anyone has any other recommendations (or books that I should steer clear of) I'd appreciate their input.

Feel free to read any book that you enjoy, but just be aware that
the Davies's The Elementary Go Series may be a bit too difficult for you
(maybe for around 5k level or better) -- again, if you enjoy reading it, that's great.

Yeah, as a 15-14 kyu I've definitely struggled with Tesuji.
My most worthwile readings at 20k-ish were:

Opening Theory Made Easy
Attack and Defense
Graded Go Problems vol. 2 and 3 (Those are problem books including tsumego, tesuji, opening and yose problems and you get to apply a number of principles that you read about in the two above books. It was very helpful to me).

Hi Thanks for the comments

Amelia: I think's Ed's right, Tesuji does appear a bit hard at the present time. it's interesting you should mention attack and defence, some people have said that it would be too hard for me at my current level. I also have a copy of opening theory made easy which i find indispensible.

Im hoping that my modest library will get me to about 15 kyu and then I'll see how things go from there.

Thanks again for all your help and advice.

regards

Mark

what ive found really good was a recommendation at a go club recently of a site called baduk movies. This is an excellent resource.

My advice for your level would be to mainly focus on solving Tsumegos/Tesujis to get a good understanding on the fundamental techniques.

Books I can recommend would be the Graded Go Problems for Beginners series. They consist of four volumes with increasing difficulty and can easily bring you to an average SDK level.

I don't know a chinese book called 1001 Problems (it's not this one, is it?), so I cannot say how difficult it is. But solving problems is always good : )

Another personal advice would be to drop any theory book for the time being. I have had the experience that especially in the beginning it is best to start slow with proper technique and not get confused about other aspects of the game. My reason is that you need the proper technique (mainly reading power and knowledge of vital points and Tesujis) to carry out any plans you might have in your game. So it's almost useless to know the theory behind attacking a group for instance, when you don't know where it could build eyes.
Opening Theory Made Easy is okay for starters because it doesn't go too deep into the subject.

You can also think about solving problems online via goproblems.com. I'd recommend 30-20 Kyu problems to start with.

markeemark wrote:Amelia: I think's Ed's right, Tesuji does appear a bit hard at the present time. it's interesting you should mention attack and defence, some people have said that it would be too hard for me at my current level. I also have a copy of opening theory made easy which i find indispensible.

This book *is* hard and I definitely didn't get all it had to offer yet. But there are some very important concepts explained in there that helped my game a great deal even at 20k. Especially, it's thanks to the first four chapters that what was happening in the middle game started making sense at all to me (much like "Opening" helped me to make sense of the Fuseki).

My reason is that you need the proper technique (mainly reading power and knowledge of vital points and Tesujis) to carry out any plans you might have in your game. So it's almost useless to know the theory behind attacking a group for instance, when you don't know where it could build eyes.

That's true but I think it goes the other way round as well. I mean it's nice if you can cut those stones, but is there a point if you don't know whether or not you should?

Also don't forget that A&D actually gives a great deal of basic tactical advice that you don't find as such in problem books, like contact play is for defense for example. It's not just big complicated theory for experts. Any 25k can benefit from understanding that you can be attacking a stone without actually touching it. I find these concepts broaden my mind, make me try new things in my games and I learn from it even when I fail.

Amelia wrote:That's true but I think it goes the other way round as well. I mean it's nice if you can cut those stones, but is there a point if you don't know whether or not you should?

Also don't forget that A&D actually gives a great deal of basic tactical advice that you don't find as such in problem books, like contact play is for defense for example. It's not just big complicated theory for experts. Any 25k can benefit from understanding that you can be attacking a stone without actually touching it. I find these concepts broaden my mind, make me try new things in my games and I learn from it even when I fail.

My experience is that it sadly doesn't work the other way round.
To stay in your example: It's very useful and latter on essential to know which cut is important. But at a beginner level, even if you know, that you logically have to cut here, it does not bring you any good when you can't read if there is a loose ladder or some sort of skirmish ahead of you. Chances are your initial good move ends in a heavy group or gets captured.

The same goes for the concepts in Attack and Defend. I agree with you, this book is very important to develop a sense for the middle game and for groups in general but again your sense carries you only so far as you can visualize moves. If you are under attack and attach to settle your shape, your opponent might suddenly play a Hane inside or a cross-cut later on. Here ends the concept of attaching to defend and only reading power, vital points and Tesujis will help you.

Thanks folks

Plenty of food for though and I appreciate your time energy and views. It's nice to hear how different strengths of players approach the game.

I know there is no shortcut to developing my game. I have a background in chess and the fundamentals were vital in building a solid foundation.

SoDesuNe It is called Weiqi and is the book that you had in your previous post, so I am working through that. I have been on goproblems.com and am trying to systematically build up my frame of reference in relation to Tsumego.

Wish me luck first tournament tomorrow, I don't have too many expectations in relation to outcomes, as long as I don't embarass myself!!

I'll update on here..

Thanks Mark

markeemark wrote:I have a background in chess and the fundamentals were vital in building a solid foundation.

Excellent.

markeemark wrote:It is called Weiqi and is the book that you had in your previous post

Weiqi is the Chinese name for Go, and title of the book is "1000 Life and Death Problems in Go" ( 圍棋死活1000題 ).

markeemark wrote:SoDesuNe It is called Weiqi and is the book that you had in your previous post, so I am working through that.

You can work through it, if you want (it won't do you any harm ; ) ) but it is considered way about your level. I want rank it at least 5k onwards, ending somewhere around low dan.

Good luck with your tournament! =)