Life In 19x19

Congratulations are due for Cho Hun-hyeon when this afternoon he reached his 1,900th career win, defeating female professional Choi Jung. Setting the record, yet again, for the most professional games won the next closest is his former pupil, Yi Ch'ang-ho (1,644), followed by Seo Pong-su (1,537) and Cho Chikun (1,400+). It will be exciting for go fans when the first 2,000th career win marker is broken in the next few years.

On a similar note, Cho also holds the record for the most number of titles (158), again beating out his former pupil Yi (146) for first place. Where do other professional player's stand on this title marker? Cho Chikun leads Japan with 74-titles, in China Gu Li just recently tied with top 1980s & 90s professional Ma Xiaochun at 47-titles, and Yi Se-tol follows a distant third in Korea with 42-titles.

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If anyone has Cho's most recent game record and would like to share, it would be appreciated.

Thank-you,
logan

logan wrote:...

Where do other professional player's stand on this title marker? Cho Chikun leads Japan with 74-titles...
logan

72 titles according to his Nihon Kiin Profile.

And eighty according to Sensei's Library.

But there's no need to nitpick on such a fun and casual topic ez4u : )

logan wrote:...

But there's no need to nitpick on such a fun and casual topic ez4u : )

You're probably right, especially if you consider +/- 10% good enough. Personally I don't think that 'Professional Milestones: Cho Hun-hyeon somewhere between 1,700 and 2,100 Career Wins' has quite the same ring to it - but probably that's just me!

The Nihon Ki-in only counts titles for events which are individual and open (not necessarily to all pros, but all within an age group). On that basis 72 is the right figure.

SL is misleading because it counts the Ricoh Cup, which is excluded by the NK on the grounds it is pair go and an invitation event. SL also lists wins in China-Japan co-title matches but these are naturally limited to two players. The NK also excludes the Oteai "title" (not really a tournament) given in SL and the Shusai Cup which was invitation only. SL however omits the Masters Cup.

so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

LokBuddha wrote:so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

Probably not.

oren wrote:

LokBuddha wrote:so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

Probably not.

Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here.

ez4u wrote:

oren wrote:

LokBuddha wrote:so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

Probably not.

Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here.

That itself is an assertion, which I now feel required to offer a dissenting opinion about.

LokBuddha wrote:so it is safe to say that Cho is the greatest player ever lived?

Depends on what you mean by "greatest".

Dusk Eagle wrote:

ez4u wrote:...
Definitely not on L19! No assertions are "safe" here.

That itself is an assertion, which I now feel required to offer a dissenting opinion about.

Right! (Next assertion) L19's just can't resist! (your turn)

Cho is the greatest based on his actual real hard solid awesome results. Who on earth can best him right now???? the so called Lee Sedol is eating Cho's dust right now..lololololololol

LokBuddha wrote:Cho is the greatest based on his actual real hard solid awesome results. Who on earth can best him right now???? the so called Lee Sedol is eating Cho's dust right now..lololololololol

Competition matters, and Yi Ch'ang-ho and Yi Se-tol both had more of it than Cho did.