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4 Ladders and a Strange Wall...

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:09 am
by moyoaji
At my club meeting on Tuesday night we got into a discussion about this board position.
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[go]$$Wc The Striped Fuseki?
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We noted how hard it would be to use ladders in this opening. So then I set up a ladder and read it out. If the situation is right you can totally use ladders! So, here is a fun exercise. Which of these ladders works? And which fail?
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[go]$$Wc Fun with ladders!
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . X . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . X . , . . . . . X . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | X W . . . . . . . O . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | X W W X . . . . . X . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 4 Ladders and a Strange Wall...

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:24 am
by HermanHiddema
All ladders, for either color, work

Re: 4 Ladders and a Strange Wall...

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:22 am
by schawipp
1) The ladder works i. e. it captures the enclosed color at the center wall.
2) The net, the loose ladder and the stone edge squeeze seem to work also....

Re: 4 Ladders and a Strange Wall...

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:29 am
by illluck
As others have pointed out, all ladders work.

Also, since my instinct is to not read ladders :p
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[go]$$Wc Fun with ladders!
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$$ | . 3 X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . X . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X 1 . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 2 . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . X . 6 . . . . . X . . . 9 . O O . . |
$$ | X W 5 . . . . . . O . . . . 8 B O . . |
$$ | X W W X . . . . . X . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: 4 Ladders and a Strange Wall...

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:53 am
by moyoaji
And now you all know the secret of the dual-colored wall...

It is not that no ladders work. It is that all ladders work! :twisted:
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[go]$$Wc Top Ladders
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . X . . . O B B O . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . O B B O . . . |
$$ | . X W W X . . . . X . O B X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X W W X . . . O O B B O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X W W X . O X B B O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X W W X . O C O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . X W W X X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W W O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X C X . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | X W W X . . . . . X . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wc Bottom Ladders
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . X . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . X W X . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . X C X . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W W O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X W W X X C O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X W W X . O B B O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X W W X . . X O B B O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W W X . . . O . O B B O . . . . |
$$ | . X W W X . . . . X . . O B B O O . . |
$$ | X W W X . . . . . O . . . O B B O . . |
$$ | X W W X . . . . . X . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Use this knowledge carefully in the 0.002% of games where it comes up.

@illuck: You just had to play the net card... :razz: