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This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:04 pm
by KenPruitt
It's still doing the RECEIVED INVALID GAME DATA for me, so whatever. I give up on it.

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:16 pm
by Kirby
I edited your post. When you make the attachment and preview and/or submit, you can right click on it and copy the link there. Use that link in your SGF file.

I personally prefer to manually enter the SGF, but I guess that takes more work.

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:12 pm
by karaklis
Could you elaborate why you resigned? You were leading by more than 100 points...

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:20 pm
by KenPruitt
karaklis wrote:Could you elaborate why you resigned? You were leading by more than 100 points...
It didn't feel like it.

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:01 pm
by Monadology
So what are the features of this game that most of your games share?

A) Sanrensei opening
B) Double sanrensei opening
C) Broken ladders that are played out
D) You resigning early
E) You resigning early when you have a lead.
F) You resigning early when you have a large lead.

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:30 pm
by uPWarrior
Do you realize that you had decided to resign early by move 3?

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:43 pm
by skydyr
Also, black has a ko to live.

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:10 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
KenPruitt wrote:... so whatever. I give up on it.
This may the the root problem - whether in go games or diagrams thereof.

You played better than he did. Why are you giving up on yourself?

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:21 pm
by KenPruitt
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
KenPruitt wrote:... so whatever. I give up on it.
This may the the root problem - whether in go games or diagrams thereof.

You played better than he did. Why are you giving up on yourself?
Like I said. It didn't feel like I was winning or even playing well.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:17 pm
by EdLee
Hi Ken, Don't give up. Don't give up on Go or SGF tags. Most importantly, don't give up on yourself. :-|

Re:

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:28 pm
by Kirby
EdLee wrote:...
At move 37, there was the comment that the corner is "finished" if we cut here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O B . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But white will just sacrifice his stones to live:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 4 b |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 5 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black 'a', white 'b'.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:32 pm
by EdLee
Kirby, thanks. The result is probably still OK for B, and W lives in the corner. Maybe there's a better sequence to kill W completely ?

Re: This is what most of my games look like.

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:19 pm
by Kirby
EdLee wrote:Kirby, thanks. The result is probably still OK for B, and W lives in the corner.
Agree.
EdLee wrote:Maybe there's a better sequence to kill W completely ?
The ladder doesn't seem to work here:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 3 X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 6 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but the aji is unsettling. For example, even playing the response above, white can try to get net:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 5 X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . 7 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 8 1 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So maybe :b2:, above is not great, but it hurts to play another type of move...

Anyway, if we can ignore that, I think with this shape, as in the game, the hane feels promising:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . 2 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But alas, difficult due to the bad shape:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O . 2 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X 0 |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O 7 6 9 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So I think the shape might be killable normally, but I don't like the aji on the outside. Maybe there's a killing sequence I am missing, but it seems difficult.

For that reason, I like the result of the suggestion you proposed:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . X X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . . X X . . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X O X . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black gets sente, and no more aji this way :-)
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