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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Post #101 Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . 5 X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can only assume this move got better with a bit of aging.

Edit: I kinda thought he would play K17 directly. Now L17 looks supermassive. L17, D12, S16, I want 'em all. I want 'em all, and I want them now! (though really the song I am listening to is "I'm Going Slightly Mad"). Anyway I guess Kirby is going for a K.O. punch, confident in his reading against me. Lets see.

Edit 2: Oops, slight misread. Still should be fine.

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 Post subject: Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Post #102 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:18 am 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . 6 X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I overplayed... Let's see what happens.

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Post #103 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Erg, actually Kirby is getting annoyingly many points, I need more soon.

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Post #104 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Taking his stones is kind of small. The benefit is, I can threaten to exploit other areas after the capture. For example, I could play the marked stone:
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . B O O X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, that area is not urgent. The move I played just sticks out to me. It feels right.

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Post #105 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:14 pm 
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Kirby this is not the move I planned for you to play, what are you thinking, arghh

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Post #106 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:13 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that went terribly for me

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Post #107 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:07 am 
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I feel like I'm making out well here, but it's hard for me to see the best way to take profit.

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Post #108 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:55 am 
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The good thing is, I don't have to reset the diagram numbering since he is doing it.

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Post #109 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




(We can swap numbers back now, yours weren't working any better for me)

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Post #110 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Playing passively is simple and gives me cash... but is somehow unsatisfying:

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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . 4 6 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X 3 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . 5 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm.


You can do as you'd like with the numbers, Loons.

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Post #111 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:53 pm 
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Just thinking to myself...

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[go]$$Wcm10 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #112 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I seriously considered this:
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X 2 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But the first move just seems too overconcentrated. I don't like it.

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Post #113 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . 3 O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Assuming we continue sensibly;
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | w w w w w w . . . . . . b b b b b b b |
$$ | w w w w w w . . . . . . b b b b b b b |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . b b . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . w |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . w |
$$ | . b b . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . w |
$$ | b b b X . . . . . , . . X O . , . O . |
$$ | b b b . . . . . . . . O O X X . X O . |
$$ | b b b . . . . . . . . O B O . . b X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X b . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X b X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X W W X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O W X X O . |
$$ | w w . O . O . . . b X X X W X X O w O |
$$ | w w w w w . . . . b b b b X X . O O w |
$$ | w w w w w . . . . b b b b . . . . w w |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

W33 B45 and sente... So, I am about 15 points down.

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Post #114 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X 4 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no secret thoughts for this move.

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Post #115 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:29 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm zero for three on predicting Kirby's local and global tactics, so I'm really just playing this by ear.

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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this situation, I would like to play inside, since my stones are concentrated on the bottom:
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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, I don't like the result if white plays this way:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O 6 , 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . 7 X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No excuse

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Post #118 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:31 pm 
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His tenuki has got to be a mistake. I've gotta make him pay for that. I've gotta read it out first, though.

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Come to think of it, this is an interesting problem. It seems like I should be able to punish white on the side. But I must read this out and guarantee either a good result, or a tenuki of my own...

Challenge accepted.

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Grr, just lost a post through some mysterious inner working of my internets.

Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing how Kirby handles this; evidently I don't know what to do when my opponent diligently tenukis my moves.

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[go]$$Wcm66 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . O X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W W . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . d O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . e c b X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X a . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My marked stones are now strong instead of rather weak, which indirectly helps my weak right stones. My tenuki was the biggest clear-cut points move on the board. If I had to pick what my biggest regret I've left was, it was not playing the abcde exchange. I do have to settle two weak groups now. It will be interesting to see how Kirby corrects his central thinness without also fixing my groups. I do suspect, judging by previous moves that Kirby is going to react over-violently. We'll see how it goes.

Edit: It has become obvious to me that E8 area is now a crucial reduction (or thereabouts for black expansion). I sure hope Kirby plays something I can tenuki easily.

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