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Post #101 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:21 pm 
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Started to lose lots against 7 kyus. Makes me depressed and now I'm just mad at everything in sight. Can't seem to win anymore. It's like if I had forgotten how... I'm so mad at myself. I can beat these guys. Hopefully it's gonna be better tomorrow. It's probably gonna sound stupid and girlish, but I just wanna cry. I can win. I know I can. However, my mind forgot how to play well. I make some sloppy mistakes despite lots of reading. I play bad moves. My go simply went from poor to horrible. I'm so mad...


Yeah, everyone gets this. It's not even limited to go, unfortunately. The Starcraft and League of Legends rage issues I've had... lol

When you get in that state of mind, resist the temptation to play more! If you're like most people you want to still play. But it's one of the few times when you really should walk away from the game. Not even just go, but anything that requires a test of skill (so most games, certainly anything competitive) If not, you'll just get in to a tantrum spiral. Your negative attitude ends up producing losses, which produces more negative attitude. Yech.

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Post #102 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:52 pm 
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How can you play your best when you don't care about the game in question? Did this work for anyone? (Kawabata says in Meijin how seriously Shusai even took other recreational games. And I believe I heard similar things about other professional players.) I would advice the opposite: Only play rated games and get used to losing a rank in between. It happens to all of us.


He's just been playing for a few months, has faced some harsh comments here and is probably putting too much pressure in the game. It's better to take a break sometimes. Of course, there are people who never need to take breaks, but for some they are necessary and useful.

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Post #103 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Urist McNumsgil? Do you also play DF?

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Post #104 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:03 pm 
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Reviewing all your losses from today and analyzing them in a calm way while being honest to yourself might help. Even if you probably don't want to look at them right now. Disappointment is inevitable once in a while when you play Go, but you can learn to cope with it.

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Post #105 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:28 pm 
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I think it's good you're losing some games now. Over your go playing career, you're going to end up with a win/loss rate of about 50% in the long run. It's better to get the rage of losing over with now and focus on how you get better.

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Post #106 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Urist McNumsgil? Do you also play DF?


"Play" might be overstating it. Let's just say my fun happens sooner than most :P

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Post #107 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:29 pm 
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Sigh... losing streak continues... I did well at the go club and thought I was "cured". However, I'm still getting owned on KGS... Guess I'm just an incredibly poor player, after all...

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Post #108 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:48 pm 
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Sigh... losing streak continues... I did well at the go club and thought I was "cured". However, I'm still getting owned on KGS... Guess I'm just an incredibly poor player, after all...


No, it doesn't mean you're an incredibly poor player. It's simply that you're a beginner and have a lot to learn. Remember what I said about "paying the price"? When things are hard and discouraging, you still have to keep trying. That's paying the price to reach the level you want to reach.

I`ve been through the same feelings, and so has almost everybody else here. It's a normal part of striving for improvement.

No more self-pity, please. Keep trying!

You can do it.

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Post #109 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:08 pm 
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If you are serious about becoming a pro I suggest you read this article and then immediately resume studying go.

http://lesswrong.com/lw/up/shut_up_and_ ... mpossible/

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Post #110 Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:06 pm 
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After a little bit of time without thinking about go, got my anger out of me by blowing off some heads on Resident Evil and lots of patience from tchan, my perspective about go changed. I think I'm slowly starting to understand this game.

And guess what? Just won 2 games in a row :D


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Post #111 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:28 pm 
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Yay! Just got my 6th kyu on KGS! It's amazing how I see my opponent's playing sloppy. I know I can punish, but I don't know how... VERY annoying...

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Post #112 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:34 pm 
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Yay! Just got my 6th kyu on KGS! It's amazing how I see my opponent's playing sloppy. I know I can punish, but I don't know how... VERY annoying...


Don't worry, they think the same things. :)

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Post #113 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:30 am 
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Leyleth wrote:
Yay! Just got my 6th kyu on KGS! It's amazing how I see my opponent's playing sloppy. I know I can punish, but I don't know how... VERY annoying...

I know exactly how you feel. My solution is tsumego :D

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Post #114 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:01 am 
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My two cents:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/derek_ ... rself.html


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Post #115 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:24 am 
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Great talk. I always felt the same about many of the study and improvement blogs, but I wonder why there is a subforum for study blogs on L19 then.

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Post #116 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:03 am 
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I'll send you back this link when I got stronger than you.

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Post #117 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:35 am 
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I'll send you back this link when I got stronger than you.


Seriously, that's on the same (low) witty rejoinder level as 'takes one to know one' and 'if that's what you are, then what am I?'. Just be the better man ;)

Of course, its reasonable to doubt the advice given in a short video without significant sourcing of scientific evidence, especially since it only describes a statistical phenomenon even if the general pattern is really the case.

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Post #118 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:57 am 
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Leyleth wrote:
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I'll send you back this link when I got stronger than you.


Seriously, that's on the same (low) witty rejoinder level as 'takes one to know one' and 'if that's what you are, then what am I?'. Just be the better man ;)

Of course, its reasonable to doubt the advice given in a short video without significant sourcing of scientific evidence, especially since it only describes a statistical phenomenon even if the general pattern is really the case.


I think that was his way of stating his goal in a way that gave him no satisfaction.

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Post #119 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:10 pm 
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Leyleth wrote:
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I'll send you back this link when I got stronger than you.


That isn't the way to treat people trying to help you. If you're going to act like that, I'd suggest reading this.

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Post #120 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:24 pm 
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I've noticed that my sentence was misinterpreted. I'm french, therefore my english is bad. I thought the sentence was clear and, for that, I apologize.

What I meant by: "I'll send you back this vid when I got stronger than you" wasn't meant to be aggressive or threatening. I meant that it doesn't matter if you say your goals or not. What does matter is determination to follow and beat them. This is why I replied that way. It wasn't mean or anything. In the end, it comes back to: "I'll prove your video wrong by becoming strong myself".

Sorry if it has been misinterpreted and ended up offending some of you guys.

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