MinjaeKim, I am going to Korea this weekend, and will return on February 10th. I'd like to play well for this game, so please expect me to make a move after then.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . b X . . . . . X X O c . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X a . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X g X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . h O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O d . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . f . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . e . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess that's a good starting point. So now I need to figure out how much it's worth for both black and white to play in these areas.
Let's go alphabetically. The obvious move is to answer his last move.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I don't play this, white can capture the stone. So I guess this is the alternative:
[go]$$Wc Black tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O C 3 | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X 1 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If I tenuki and let white play first, after this, I can either tenuki again, or I can answer.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O B . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And if I tenuki again, there's a lot of aji for him to play with:
[go]$$Wc Black tenukis twice $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O 3 . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Thinking of it calmly like this, I don't think that this last diagram, above, is an option. My position has fallen apart - white has the ladder, so I can't capture his cutting stone - I'm separated, and my territory is gone.
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So I'll use a heuristic and just eliminate the option of tenuking twice. That is to say, if I tenuki, then he can capture the stone in sente. We'll have this diagram:
[go]$$c Black tenukis once $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Given this, I can compare the point values of white's playing first in this area, and me.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Then it is my right to play the hane later, so I gain the following 4 points, locally:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O 1 | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X C | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C C | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O C . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If white plays first, white gains the following 6 points locally (including 1 captured stone):
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C C | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . C O C | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O C O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
From this, it would seem that a play in the area is 10 points reverse sente. Following a heuristic I heard, that means it's worth slightly more than 20 points.
But maybe this is an overestimate.
That's because, while I lose all of those points if white plays first, in this variation:
[go]$$c Black tenukis once $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X W X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The marked white stone is firmly captured, and aji is eliminated in the area.
If I respond to his atari, locally, I save those points, but he can still aim for aji on the right. I don't know how he'll exploit it, but here are some example sequences:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X 5 . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . 4 3 . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . 2 1 . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . 7 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 7 6 . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . 8 X 5 . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . 4 3 . 9 | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . 2 1 . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . 7 . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . 6 5 1 . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X 2 . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm not sure of the exact variation that will happen.
But there is a lot more aji than there is with this one:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So how do I compare these variations?
Since there seems to be a lot more aji with the tenuki variation, perhaps I can factor in potential territory on the side into my calculation. That is to say, if I tenuki, I will probably get about this many points on the right, which I might end up losing if I don't tenuki but end up with the right-side aji:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O B . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . C | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . C C | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . C C | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X C C C | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White will also get a couple of points, so let's say that it's about 10 points that I've gained by reducing the aji when I played the marked black move, above.
White could exploit that aji immediately if I do the non-tenuki option. Or, it's possible that I play on the right first to eliminate the aji. So if I play first, I'd play something like this:
[go]$$c White tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O c . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's assume that this move secures the aji on the right - i.e. black will get the 10 points or so that might have otherwise been lost.
I don't really know how to handle this kind of endgame calculation.
So I guess I'll say that there is a 50/50 chance of white or black getting the 10 point play on the right, if the position is like this:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So considering the aji, the value of black territory on the right is, perhaps 5 points here, but is the full 10 points when I tenuki once, let white capture, then defend.
Therefore, the real point value is the 4 points I counted above, if black plays first, plus -5, since black has value of 5 points of territory on the right, instead of 10.
So with black playing first, black actually gets -1, since I don't wrap up the aji on the right hand side. White had 6 points before, which makes 6-1 = 5 points gain for playing in this area.
Since it's still a double-sente move, I guess we can say that this area is around a little more than 10 points?
After writing all of this, I realized that I missed another nuance.
Namely, if I tenuki and let white capture, white is clearly alive. That means that white doesn't have to worry much about his group. If I answer, I think the clamp is bigger later:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O B . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Because white isn't totally alive.
On the other hand, if white captures the stone, while I eliminate aji on the right, I also eliminate aji on the top:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O B . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now, the clamp seems less meaningful.
I'm kind of confusing myself at this point, and I think I'm going in circles.
I'll take a break and come back to this after thinking about what I'm confusing.
[go]$$c White tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O 3 . . . . O 1 | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O 6 4 O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 2 3 6 7 O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O X 5 4 . . O X | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O O O O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That means, white is not in any danger of dying, unless I reduce the eyespace on the inside:
[go]$$c White tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . 2 . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O 3 7 . . . O 1 | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O 6 4 O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But white can still get one eye locally, and can move into the center.
So even if I answer, white is not in real danger with his group. The question is, can I get extra points by pressuring it?
Either variation I select, the clamp is still available. So the difference in points is if I can get free moves in the center area.
[go]$$c White tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O 3 . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O 6 4 O O O O . O | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Is a free move in either case? It seems white can still tenuki, since white has access to the center, or can live inside.
So is not really sente, so the only real forcing move I can get is maybe later to take away eyespace.
Therefore, I'd estimate that there is some benefit to keeping black "not alive", but only a couple of points.
So if black has a couple of additional points by answering:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X B . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Then we can say that black's score of -1 from before, playing the first move, is actually maybe something like 1. White still has 6 points local gain.
Factor in that it's reverse sente, so I'll double it and say this is worth about 12 points.
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Conclusion: I have some weird, maybe flawed logic. But I'm going to say that the local area up here @ 'a' is worth 12 points.
Now to move on to the other areas on the board and compute them, too.
So now we are on to area 'b' (note that I'm not saying "move 'b'", because these are for areas, not moves. Maybe I'll think of a better move in these local areas - but in this case, 'b' is probably the move, too):
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . b X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . B X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . W X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
For the second diagram, white doesn't have much of a follow-up. So I guess I can consider that the terminal position.
For the first one, white will probably not answer, so black will get at least this position as privilege:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . 1 O C X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . 2 . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think it's probably good to not do the atari at the marked intersection, yet. It doesn't immediately benefit me, but it strengthens white.
Actually, scratch that.
Since answering is gote, I think I should instead just extend again if he tenuki:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . B X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . 3 O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But alas, I think I don't have a good response if he just answers firmly:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . 2 O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I briefly looked at some weird wedge, but it seems to immediately fail:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . 2 O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . 1 O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So probably extending is the one to do.
If I extend, he will probably ignore, so that means I get this:
[go]$$c White tenuki $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Actually, I think it's pretty sente - I feel awkward as white trying to come up with the next move.
So probably he'd answer, and the terminal position would be here:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 X X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | 2 1 O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | 3 5 . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So to avoid complicating things like for the 'a' area, let's just compare the two terminal positions:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | O O . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . 2 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 O X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | C C C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | X X X X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | X O O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | O O . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | C O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C O O X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | C C O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | C C . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So just 10 points. Similar to move 'a', but maybe 'a' is worth more.
Conclusion. Area 'b' is about 10 points. So 'a' > 'b' in terms of priority, I think. At least that seems correct.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O c . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black plays first, it'll probably go like this:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O 1 . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O 4 2 O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White could, of course, tenuki along the way.
But because my head hurts, let's not think about white tenuki and just calculate the difference locally.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O W . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So if we add "privilege" moves after this, I guess we are comparing this:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 X 2 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O X 1 . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O O O O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O O 4 O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So if black goes first, he gets the following 0 points:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O X O . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O O O O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
And if white goes first, white gets the following 3 points:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O C . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O C C . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O O 4 O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Conclusion: Area 'c' is about 6 points, since it's somewhat sente for black. Maybe slightly over 6.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O B . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
They have pros and cons. If I do the first one, I claim more corner territory, but there is still aji on the side. Furthermore, white can stay ahead:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O 1 . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The second one walls off the side, but allows white to split off the corner:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O 2 . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Because of the aji, I'm just going to make a call. I think the second one is better because it fixes the aji on the right, and threatens to link with the corner. So I can count 50% of the value of connecting to the corner, plus the 10 points or so I estimated existed in aji before.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . C C | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . C C | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O X C C | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X C C | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I get about 8 more points by connecting to the corner compared to if white splits. Since there's 50% chance I'll get this, call it 4 points.
Conclusion: This one is about 10+4=14 points. So 'd' > 'a' > 'b' > 'c'.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . e . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The question now is, does white answer, or play somewhere else?
It's not clear to me, so let's say that white answers with probability 50% and doesn't answer with probability 50%.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O X . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X W X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X W B . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X C C . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There is 50% chance here that black will capture the white stones for a bit more than say 8 points.
So count it as 4 points. Add the two points black gains for playing the marked move for 6 points.
Divide by two for 50% probability so that's 3 points.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O B . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White gains half of a chance to get the stone for a bit over 1 point. Count as 0.5 because of 50% probability.
Now there's 25% chance that white ends up blocking (gaining no points for white) vs. black to keep going gaining:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . C X X . C C . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . C C C C C . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's 8 more points, times 0.25, so 8/4=2, plus the 0.5 from before = 2.5.
So in some convoluated way, I think black gets maybe 5.5 points for going first.
What if white goes first?
White should start the capturing race to get forcing moves outside, I think:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X 2 X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O 1 O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . 4 O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X 3 8 6 5 7 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
black probably won't answer, so white can have privilege:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X X X O C O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O O O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . X O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X O X X O O . 5 6 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 2 1 3 C C 9 7 8 . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has gained 3 points locally, but has also reduced black compared to black going first.
Before, black had 17 points locally, but now, black has 12 left. That's a swing of 5 points.
So white got 5+3 = 8 points. However, white did this in sente, so it's a reverse-sente play, making it worth a bit more than 16 points.
Conclusion: This one should be worth about 5.5+16=21.5 points.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . B . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . B . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The thing is, with the latter move, I think that white can block it off in sente:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . X 3 O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . 1 2 . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . 6 X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So I don't like that.
Let's count the points for the first one. If black plays first, we have this. White may ignore, so black's follow up is monkey jump, I guess... But that ends in gote.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . x O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 1 2 C O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 6 O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | 7 5 . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . X . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
On the other hand, I can later play 'x' in sente. So that's a plus.
For simplicity, I'll count this as terminal position right here.
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . 5 . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . 1 4 . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | 3 2 X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So point value for black going first is black gains these 5 points:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . x O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 1 2 C O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 6 O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | 7 5 . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | C X . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | C C X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
whereas white gains these 5 points for going first:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . B X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | B X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | W W O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | C C O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | C 5 . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . 1 4 . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | 3 2 X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Conclusion: This area is about 10 points. So 'e' > 'd' > 'a' > 'b'/'f' (about the same) > 'c'.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O c . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X B X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If black plays there first, I guess I have "privilege" to cut later:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O c . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . 5 C 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X X O 2 . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Very vague, but I'm going to say about 5 points - difference of capturing two stones, got into the middle a little bit, but he also got a little bit more thickness.
Very hard to estimate, but this one doesn't seem that big.
Conclusion: So 'e' > 'd' > 'a' > 'b'/'f' (about the same) > 'c' > 'g'.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X g X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . B X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | 4 8 . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 1 2 O O X g X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | 3 6 O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 7 5 O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | C X X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black has one more point in the marked area. Compared to if white goes first:
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | C C . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | C C O O X g X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | C C O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 3 1 O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | 4 2 X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has 6 more points. So this is like 7 points or something.
Conclusion: This one is about 7 points. So something like 'e' > 'd' > 'a' > 'b'/'f' (about the same) > 'c'/'h' (have to calculate more clearly at that time) > 'g'.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . B . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So I guess I'll play the highest ranking item from my convoluted math. What the hell?
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That was an impressive amount of writing about your choice, Kirby!
Now seems like a good time to chime in and say that I really appreciate the effort you guys put into sharing your thoughts. These games are great fun to watch, and I feel I learn a lot about how to think about the game.
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O W . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X B . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The next biggest area according to my (flawed?) analysis was 14 points:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O B . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But then white's move here is kind of sente, if I am going to make my last move worthwhile:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . X W . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If that's sente, then it means white can have the monkey jump later:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O , O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . 1 X O . . 3 7 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 2 5 . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's a lot of points. At least this many compared to my play:
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . X X . X X . O . . O O O O X . | $$ | . . . O . O . O . , . . . . X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . X O . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . X O O O O . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X X X X X X X X O . . . . X . . . | $$ | . X O O O O O . . . O . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O X . . . X . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . O O O X . X O . O . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X X O W O X O X . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . O . X X O O . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . X . . . 1 X . . C C C . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . C C C C C C C . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Probably more with the potential for white to link up at the marked white stone area.
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