Self-commented games

Alguien · #1

Do you know of any videos or .sgfs of games where one of the players comments on why he made each move and/or what he thinks about the situation at some points? (other than dwyrin's/bat's)

It's easy to find commented games qhere one of the players, or a third person, comments on some moves he considers to be interesting for various reasons.

Recently I've discovered some videos of games commented by one of the players as he plays, usually explaining what he's about to play but also thinking out lout about the situation or the opponent's move.

I've learned a huge lot with those videos, but they are very few. I don't expect other videos like those to exist but maybe there are sgfs where a player did the same "self-commenting".

(The thing is: I learn more from what are normal moves for a middle dan than I do from what he considers interesting. I wouldn't be able to repeat that long reasoning he did to reach a perfect move, but when they just drop a stone without even thinking about it, my eyes go wide and I really try to understand what makes that move so obvious.
My mistakes are still in failing those obvious moves; I'll analyse the convoluted mysteries of go a bit later, if I ever stop committing suicide and gifting life to dead groups.)

daal · #2

This is an easy one. Check out the Malkovitch section here on L19.

Alguien · #3

daal wrote:

This is an easy one. Check out the Malkovitch section here on L19.

Thank you. That does seem to be what I was looking for. The not reading the opponent's comments is purely "honor based"?

It would be nice to have the games in sgf with each post's comments on the move.

jts · #4

It's not useless drivel - people have felt the exact same thing that you have, that it would be nice to have an SGF of the Malkovich games, but it's time-consuming to compile. I think a few of the more popular games have an SGF attached. But reading the game page by page doesn't really slow it down that much.

Alguien · #5

jts wrote:

reading the game page by page doesn't really slow it down that much.

It's not a matter of speed, but of availability. It's hard to store forum pages to read during flights, for example.

However, I'm not blind to the advantages of forum commentary, like the additional review of unplayed branches or the analysis by non-players on styles, expected scenarios, etc.

shapenaji · #6

I have a couple videos up on http://twitch.tv/shapenaji

I talk it through a fair amount (Although I played a good number of fast games on one of those videos, and my chat has one too many "You sure about that?", But I do kind've go through variations as quick as I can by hovering the mouse. The resolution could certainly be better though)

Alguien · #7

shapenaji wrote:

I have a couple videos up on http://twitch.tv/shapenaji

I watched the long one (the only one I found) yesterday. It's exactly what I was looking for.

It would have been easier for me if the games were a bit slower, but the tipes of moves you made when you decided to attack are one of the areas I'm weakest at, so they were very interesting.

Thank you for making the video.

shapenaji · #8

Alguien wrote:

I watched the long one (the only one I found) yesterday. It's exactly what I was looking for.

It would have been easier for me if the games were a bit slower, but the tipes of moves you made when you decided to attack are one of the areas I'm weakest at, so they were very interesting.

Thank you for making the video.

Great, I'm glad it was useful, I keep meaning to do them more regularly (the chess guys seem to be up and streaming every night... I'm not sure I have the energy for that,), but if it's something that people like, I'm willing to push myself.

Alguien · #9

shapenaji wrote:

Great, I'm glad it was useful, I keep meaning to do them more regularly (the chess guys seem to be up and streaming every night... I'm not sure I have the energy for that,), but if it's something that people like, I'm willing to push myself.

In case you do decide to make more videos like that one, I'd dare to ask you to separate the videos by game. I (and I suppose other people) end up watching each game several times and if they are separated by game, it's easier to remember which one I've not seen in the longest while and I may have forgotten the most.

SpongeBob · **#10**

shapenaji wrote:

... but if it's something that people like, I'm willing to push myself.

Most definitely!! Nice that you are doing this, thank you.

Currently I am staying on a camping site with lousy internet connection, so I can't really enjoy those - but as soon as I am back, I will watch it.

Uberdude · **#11**

I review a lot of my OGS games, you can see them at http://www.online-go.com/profile.php?user=6497 (under "Games Reviewed by Uberdude" a few boxes down).

P.S. if you have an account you can turn on the preference to navigate moves with arrow keys which makes replaying in browser a lot easier (if you don't want to download the sgf).

merik · **#12**

Have you watched Battousai's lecture video's and dan series games? he has close to 80-90 videos on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/user/dwyrin/videos i find them very helpful and informative :tmbup:

Twitchy Go · **#13**

There is also mrhaandi on youtube, he comments on his games much like Bat's tygem/kgs/igs series.

siowy · **#14**

http://www.youtube.com/user/heartersg/videos

i just put out one video and plan to put out more.

the sound on the first video is pretty bad though.

i was 6kyu at the time of the video.

Tami · **#15**

While it's pretty fascinating to hear other people`s comments, I`m starting to feel very wary of doing things like this and malkovich comments (on the Kaya server). The reason is that verbalised thinking is very slow, and by talking or malking while you play you are basically practicing verbal thinking. Every time I malk in a Kaya game it feels distracting, and on the occasions when I`ve attempted to video a game and give live comments I`ve always felt very restricted. Still, YMMV.

Unusedname · **#16**

jts wrote:

It's not useless drivel - people have felt the exact same thing that you have, that it would be nice to have an SGF of the Malkovich games, but it's time-consuming to compile. I think a few of the more popular games have an SGF attached. But reading the game page by page doesn't really slow it down that much.

Wow you were right about it being time consuming.

The first 50 moves alone took me around 2 hours.

I'll probably work on this between classes since I have a 3 hour gap.

Let me know if there's a specific one someone would like me to do.

Also if you have opinions on formatting let me know. I'm not sure whether to actually play out their diagrams or just plop stones on the board and number them.

SpongeBob · **#17**

Twitchy Go wrote:

There is also mrhaandi on youtube, he comments on his games much like Bat's tygem/kgs/igs series.

I get great enjoyment out of watching his games. I absolutely admire his calm playing style (something which is missing in my own games).

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