It somewhat depends on what you mean by innovation. I think Yilun Yang has written his own books that are great and Guo Juan has created a separate way of providing information all in the West.

You can always argue everything is derivative in some way.

(continuing earlier reply)



It determines stone difference, territory count and influence stone difference. These values are aleady interesting for themselves. It judges if something is a joseki. It assigns a corner result to a value type class, for which one knows a few more generally valid statements. It hints to which extent or in which way of further evaluation application of other information could be useful.



Short citations I make or have made. I won't copy substantial parts.

Joseki 3 Dictionary, chapter 3.



In my earlier messages, I have tried to indicate that other methods are more relevant for strategic choices. Here is the decryption, now that I do not need to save bits any longer:

J2S = Joseki 2 Strategy
ch. 6 = chapter 6
J3D = Joseki 3 Dictionary
chapters 2 and 4

The latter are particularly useful.

Professional quality joseki choices? No. Professionals (or already high dan amateurs) can sometimes complicate decisions a lot. Presuming that there are no high level complications or rarities, I think that every SDK has a good chance to apply the decisions with the book in his hand, presuming he has already read the book and therefore a rough understanding of what he supposed to think about when trying to make correct strategic decisions.



Since the task does not require learning move sequences, I think that an eager reader with much time for book reading could do it after maybe 2 weeks. Learning a good fraction of the variations takes 1 to 2 months for a 5k or stronger having read the first two volumes (which ease understanding greatly), I'd guess. (I needed 3 months day and night for my first Ishida reading and variations learning, but there is much less supporting structure and no preliminary go theory explanation at all in the Ishida, so I had to work out some basics while trying to understand and memorise.)

University style research: a lot.

Go book style: uh, to start with, see my books. Then there is Hunter, not much, but he started semeai and semeai tesuji innovation, leaving the Asian path. Wilcox sector lines were almost common sense though (that is, among a few similarly minded players in the West). Oh, and what about Davies' 5x5 examples? Also an innovation at his time, or not?

I think, one must not overlook journals of go associations.

Wait, did Robert's username really get changed by a mod? I am beyond baffled.

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yeah... you can still see it in some of his quoted posts

Go Association journals/yearbooks cannot, to my imagination, be called innovative.
The mathematics produced by Berklekamp could be, so lets turn to the next question - Is it brilliant? I'm not convinced.
I am given to understand that Wilcox's sector theory was original, but was it really so? Maybe somebody with more knowledge of Oriental literature could answer that. Haven't read his book, so I can't comment on it.

Joseki dictionaries wouldn't fall into the brilliant category for me, they're just textbooks.
Hunter's books are accurate, but overdone, studies of basic techniques.

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Not the entire journals, but a few articles in them! E.g., I recall a few about endgame maths in DGoZ. Small contributions but innovative.



I have not studied CGT carefully enough to judge about Berklekamp's CGT work to say whether it is very good or brilliant. Innovative for sure. (His rules work is good, but not brilliant.)

Another candidate for brilliancy is Conway, although his work is much more general than Go.



Several came up with this idea independently from each other, among them me. It is a straightforward invention. (Theory is an exaggeration. It is just drawing outer lines.)



LOL. Everything is "just textbooks", even the bible.



This shows you have neither really understood the contents of Counting Liberties nor read my corrections in Capturing Races. (It is easy to overlook Hunter's mistakes if one reads his book while trusting the contents. I also fell into that trap during my first reading.)



What about reading the Kageyama once more? You might become stronger when you stop underestimating the basics!

A joseki dictionary is just a reference. Your theory, whilst taking the work beyond that level, is simply too badly presented to be described as brilliant.

Capturing Races Workshop & Monkey Jump Workshop are just puzzle collections with some obvious theory. No pro would ever recommend reading those. There may be some obscure formula you can apply, but they are just that. If you want to read puzzles, read life and death collections.

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topazg, you have made me wonder why my joseki evaluation method is so successful in distinguishing (non-)joseki, although it counts each significant outside influence stone as 1 while different stones can have (slightly) different impacts for the influence. Average alone is not a sufficient explanation of that mystery.

Unlike arbitrary shapes in the middle game, josekis have special properties. In particular, each involved stone makes good sense (even if it is a sacrifice). Those joseki stones representing significant outside influence make good sense by (per player altogether) doing so in their (idealised) most efficient manner. Not suboptimal, but most efficiently. Each stone brings in all its value. All a stone's value is 1.

It is like a pro game move's commentary "strive to get all out of your stones".

Have you read the book? I do not reveal everything here, so you get only first hints here. The sample, WRT chapter 3, shows you mainly introduction.



The two books are light day and night. Calling good theory results "obvious" is the third stage of great findings (after the stages "everything flawed", "nothing new").

Yes, I suppose I was just expressing my difficulty believing it. Was it you, Joaz?

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Hyperpape, see here.

To quote it: Change of Robert’s username must’ve “happened” shortly before or after this post.

BTW now Robert’s username is back as it was before.

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@Pontius Moderator: We got him, crucify him!

Sorry, I read all that, and it's the obvious explanation, but I wanted to be really sure there wasn't something even weirder going on. Ideally I'd like to hear it from Joaz.

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FWIW, I did not even receive an admin email that my username was changed. Apparently Joaz(?) was too much in a joke mode, lacking a picture with even more pillows?:)

I thought the pillow fight pictures were offensive. I understood and appreciated the intent, but the pictures selected were inappropriate. However, the fact that so many people "like"d them suggested to me that my offence-o-meter was not calibrated correctly, so I tried to ignore them. I wonder if anyone else found them unsuitable?

Yes.

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It is more that I find such picture posts as superfluous as one line pure smiley replies.

Well, if we are going to let this discussion digress in every which way, I appreciated that Joaz didn't jump in right away with one of his threats to close down the discussion and instead responded with an image which humorously and not inaccurately expressed where he thought the discussion was going. I was glad that he refrained from wielding the admin club at the time. What was offensive about the images? Characterizing the discussion participants as little girls? Seems like good natured jostling, and could fall under artistic license.

The later "bit shortage wrning" also would have been funny had he not used it as an official admin harrumpf, thus not poking fun, but rather bullying a user whose thread had already been lopped off from another one to make room for his rather expansive style. Note also that the other major thrower-of-pillows did not suffer any curtailing despite the fact that bold print is pure bit waste.

On the other hand, anyone interested in discovering anything brilliant perhaps about Japanese literature might be a bit put off by so many flying feathers. However, such a lively discussion, averaging over 50 posts a day over 3 days in which another admin is an active participant doesn't seem like something the forum users should be denied.

On a side note, all this interest does not seem to have qualified it for the eminently useful list of "active posts." It seems to have been beaten out by livelier posts with 0 replies or 1/30th the number of views.

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