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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #101 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:47 pm 
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I'd be happy to answer questions if anyone wants more details over my thought process :)


What do you think about the current position (in case the trigger is accepted)--e.g., who do you think is ahead, is the lead small or insurmountable, et cetera?


I feel cautiously optimistic about my prospects because while the trigger is gote for me white is almost sealed in everywhere with relatively small growth potential. I think in the hands of someone who knows how to attack and use thickness/influence this is a considerable lead, but I'm rather terrible at it and may very well squander it.
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #102 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:25 am 
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No move yet, but I've been trying to stretch my visualization and memory for Go recently. Last night, I tried to play through this game in my head. Moves 39-41 were jumbled, but otherwise, I can remember the game without a board and visualize the whole thing. Of course, it's not entirely clear--I need to stop and count spaces to remember that 33 is a knight's move, for instance.

In general, outside the corner, spatial relationships are much more difficult. And this says nothing about reading from the completed position. Perhaps I'll have a chance this morning.

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Post #103 Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:33 pm 
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I got myself into a bad situation over the course of the last several moves.

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[go]$$Wm50 Black has sente
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I count 40 for White on the top and upper left corner, 13 in the lower left, 10 in the lower right, for a total of 57 63 (edit: old numbers based on a miscount).

For Black, I count 32 in the upper right and right side. That includes the right solid territory in the upper right, and the territory beneath the two space extension, on the assumption that I play to reduce from above and he gets that. Nothing else on the board is black territory yet, solid or otherwise, but Black has massive potential.

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[go]$$Bm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O O X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . a . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Something like this, and White will have to plunge into the center.

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[go]$$Wm58 Black has sente
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Choosing moves in a circumstance like this is always quite hard for me. This leaps out at me.

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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #104 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #105 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:13 pm 
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Diagonal, lower right of last move. Posting w/ phone.
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 Post subject: Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck
Post #106 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Posted the diagram for you.

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Post #107 Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:22 am 
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[go]$$Wm58 After tenuki, Black can save his stones in sente
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . 0 X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 4 . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #108 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:06 pm 
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I like this knight's move.

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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 4 . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 0 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . @ . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 9 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It does not directly answer the cut, however.
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[go]$$Wm68
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 4 . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 O 2 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 4 . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 5 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 0 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . @ . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . 9 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wm68
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O 5 . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O 2 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Needs more reading. It's also giving Black a *lot* of solidity in the center. It may not make sense in terms of the balance of territory.

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Post #109 Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:03 pm 
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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #110 Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Another lower-right diagonal from last move.

Hyperpape is trying to swallow my stone on the left side whole, but whether or not it works the centre is more important here.
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Post #111 Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:42 pm 
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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . 4 . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Added.
First instinct is that it's time to play elsewhere. The a and b points are both appealing, but it's also not too obvious that he'll play the passive response at c in either case.

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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . 4 . . . , . . . . . a c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . a . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X c . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to revisit my count, also.

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Post #112 Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:09 pm 
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Some thoughts about what I think may be my opponent's next move:
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[go]$$Wm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . 4 . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , . c b . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of these, I think c is a bit too deep (I could probably cut with a one-point jump). As white I'd personally play a because as black I won't connect underneath in response - instead I'll definitely check for more aggressive moves to cut. I'm not sure how I'd handle a, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it (the ostrich style of playing :p).
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Post #113 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:49 am 
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[go]$$Wm62 a looks like trouble, b looks meek
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . a 3 . b . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . , 2 1 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X 4 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm62 Intriguing--lots to read
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . . 1 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . . X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Just throwing this move out. Thoughts to come when I get a chance.

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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't expect this one, but seems like a reasonable move. I considered a cap, but didn't feel like taking the local loss on bottom while centre still kind of open. I'd like to try separate it and see if I can build up centre in the process of attacking.
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Post #116 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White's last move definitely feels too deep, but I hope my response isn't an overplay too XD
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Post #119 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:47 pm 
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For obs:
I thought that 64 belonged here, not at 'a'.

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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: I see that Illluck made the obvious reply, which not only starts to surround white 64, but helps restict invasions into the center from whites' lower right corner.
Sooner or later, white will need to play something like this:

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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . @ . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He would then be able to connect to 62 or 64.

But with 65 in place, one move by black can seal white into the corner:

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[go]$$Wm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . # . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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That last move was pretty impulsive, and I think it would have worked a bit better at Q9 instead. As it stands, it's got a big risk of being lost without compensation. At least there's the endgame at a. If I get that at the right time, it's quite large.

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[go]$$Wcm62
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X a . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . 1 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . 2 X . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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