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Offline jts
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #61 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Is this better for w than just connecting?
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #62 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:46 pm 
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@jts: Not sure. I just expected white to connect and then black r11, white n13, then probably black double approach at f17. This way white saved r10 but black got very thick in the centre, I think black gained.

I might have just answered q11 at r11. Yes black gets a nice wall but at least you live on the side with 5+ points. Jumping out to p13 shows nice fighting spirit, resisting black's plan, but I'm not sure it's better: although you aren't sealed in the side, killing r10 is quite some profit and your group is still weak despite being out.

Maybe white 32 is a mistake, better to just connect at 34 and if the same sequences happen it's better kept in reserve. This way there's a weakness at r12. But maybe black would connect there, the white stone there does have a lot of aji.


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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #63 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:47 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 0 . , X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #64 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:52 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
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Post #65 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:55 pm 
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Post #66 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 3 . 2 . O . , X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #67 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Offline lovelove
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Post #68 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 5 . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Splatted
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Post #69 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:29 pm 
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@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #70 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:42 pm 
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@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?


Possibly some fun in the corner later (black p16 is big to fix):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 3 . 9 |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O 4 2 X 5 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #71 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Splatted wrote:
@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?

Splatted:
no plan...i am getting my ass kicked left and right.
:)
i will have to spend some more time before making my move...

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Offline lovelove
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Post #72 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #73 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 8 . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #74 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:54 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
@Splatted/Obs
Splatted wrote:
@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?


Possibly some fun in the corner later (black p16 is big to fix):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 3 . 9 |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O 4 2 X 5 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obs:
I agree with 'Dude that there are some interesting questions left in the upper right - for both sides. However, going back a bit, I think :w30: was wildly optimistic on MW's part. I imagine that he was feeling so good about the previous moves that he got careless and did not seriously consider what would happen after the quite natural :b31: through :b35: in the game.

:w1: below was well timed, but after :b2: shouldn't White just connect with :w3: and leave "a" for later?
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X a . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #75 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 8 . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #76 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:53 am 
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E16
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #77 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:54 am 
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It's been a while since you posted your thoughts about the individual moves or about the position in general. Share with us, mere mortals, your wisdom, o mighty one. :bow:

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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #78 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:18 am 
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[go]$$Wcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now white's E16 group is not settled, I'll attack and profit. This is a very good chance to use my thickness on the center to attack.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #79 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:11 am 
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Offline logan
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove
Post #80 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:16 am 
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a b . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A is more common way nowadays. B is seen more in classic games.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . b . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . c X a . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White can push out A or B. A because :b1: reduces bad aji of C, so White can now push without losing much. But if Black otherway...

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . b . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . d O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . c X a . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White is reluctant to play A directly because it's ajikeshi around C/D. Therefore, White will usually play B now. Later, because of :b1: :

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . 7 4 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There's good aji. For example, if :b6:, then :w7: will work good with bottom corner stone moving out and White can get free move A or B to help move into center if it become dangerous moyo. Or:

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X . . O . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White capture corner, still maintain A/B.

White must also not be worried about this move:
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 1 . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 4 . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 1 5 . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . a . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Miai to capture. Or if Black try to fight...
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . d X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 O O X 1 4 . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O c . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 9 7 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . f 8 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will activate aji. Many options for White. (Black must be careful of concentration in this fight.)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 2 . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w1: is also common reply this hane. Black will probably around :b2: here or tenuki.

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