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 Post subject: Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Post #41 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:17 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Observers:

Aha that was his plan, he wants to weaken my group and build influence. I'll just have to curse the gods and defend.

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Post #42 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:21 am 
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Lol, I thought I invaded the three space instead of keima-capping... Ah well =]

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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #43 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:40 pm 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:

Defense, but this becomes sente so I guess still ok:
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #44 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 pm 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:
Judgement of position
When I first look at a board I look which groups are strong, and which groups are weak. This is of importance because profit is made in sente by forcing the opponent to defend himself. On this board there is nothing really weak. My lower right group is close to being sealed in, though, which is also to be avoided.

Then we look at the influence and which ways it radiates. Black's influence radiates down the lower left side, my influence radiates over the right side of the board. The person with the stronger influence has the priviledge to fight more vicious, because his stones will have a degree of safety. If you have influence you'd like to pick a fight or invade.

Move choice.
Because I want to invade on the right, I will push once further on the left, so my influence will radiate even more. After Otenki reacts, I will invade the right.

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Post #45 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:16 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:

I think white move does not kill the black center stones (hopefully i have read correct :p), only gains a little bit of influence so I guess I'll just counter attack the group. This move has a few follow ups depending on if white responds or not. Lets see.

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Post #46 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:05 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The opponent's move aims at cutting me at H14 while building a moyo on the left side. Invasion is and reduction is still possible though, so I am not really worried about this second function. Responding to the cut will probably end in this way:

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[go]$$cm1 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . 6 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 1 3 5 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This gives my top group a living shape (at least, that's what I feel). My outside stones are weak though.

Defending with J15 here (gives the best eyeshape, plus kosumi from my lone K16 stone), feels slow though, and because my top shape is alive I will play one the outside, strengthening my stones if he cuts (which I do not expect directly, it is just aji to keep in the back of my head). Outside moves are always more valuable than inside moves.

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Post #47 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:02 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sente because he only has one eye.

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Post #48 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:07 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd rather not be surrounded, so let's just lean on black's bottom group.

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:59 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . 6 . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:

Normaly this is very bad shape because of the push through point.
Howhever because of my shape I think this is playable.
I might be wrong though and then we'll see that by his next moves I guess :-)

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:37 am 
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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . 6 . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Opponent's move
I think Otenki is trying to stake out a gigantic moyo on the right. However, there are still many invasions possible, and as rule 8 of http://senseis.xmp.net/?TheTenGoldenRulesList says, "Be unhurried to enter the opponents territory". An other aim of his is to make the cut at H14 more severe, but after my shape move at K12 this pressure is not that big.

Urgent points
Urgent points are very important. Unlike big points, urgent points are point on which the whole flow of the game depends. Points which decide on life or death, surrounding and being surrounded, keeping a snake out of your territory. In my opinion, O6 is such a point. To substantiate that, let's compare these two diagrams:

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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this diagram, black's O5 group cannot be surrounded, so he never has to worry about his eyespace. My H12 group will never be able to connect to the lower right, so that is one escape route less. There is also no definate split between the bottom group and his right side, meaning any invasion on the right will be less severe and dangerous. White's bottom right group is almost surrounded, so either he has to push out while black builds influence in the pushing battle and white will run through dame, or black will gain forcing moves while white lives.

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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this diagram, white's bottom right is under no pressure at all. However, black's bottom group can be attacked severely if he does not act now. If this happens, it is not hard to imagine white will gain a center moyo. The move at O6 also lessens the threat of the cut at H14, because white has more directions to run in. Lastly, invasion on the right side will be more severe, because the two black stones on the right can never connect to the bottom and have to run towards the left.

So, after comparing these two diagrams and deciding O6 is really urgent, I play it without hesitation.

Positional judgement
I think black is still a bit ahead in this game, but I feel his last two moves where slack. Because of these slack moves I will keep on playing calm and only start fighting when I have the advantage, because even if we continue peacefully I feel like my developing moves will be more efficient than his.


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Post #51 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:38 am 
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You made a diagram error there DeFlow.

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Post #52 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:40 am 
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I see!

So far I am enjoying this Malkovich very much. When I go to sleep at night the position flashes through my head and I think about all the possibilities. Otenki, what about you?

I hope observers are enjoying the game. If there are any questions we would gladly answer them.

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:11 am 
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Hey DeFlow,

I'm really putting a lot of energy into this game and it is really teaching me a lot along the way.
As you have noticed I take a lot of risk during my games, I'm learning when to take them really well from this. This game is also one that is spinning through my head the whole day! Very cool!

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[go]$$cm21 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:

I don't care that he is surrounding my bottom group. It can live and thats all it needs to do. Center influence is not worth anything ecept for reducing and for that its too early. Taking points now while potentialy reducing his teritory in the future.

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Post #54 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:48 am 
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Oh! Tenuki and tenuki again. Confident.

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . 2 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Otenki only:
By the way, if you change the "$$cm31" part of the diagram code every ten moves, the x1'th move will not show up as the (x-1)1'th move.


Observers:
Another chance to attack! Harr! I will take it. This can not lead to a good result for black. In the sequences I see I will connect his K2 stone, send him running or he will live very tiny.

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . 2 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 3 5 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X . 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #58 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:56 am 
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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 3 5 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X 6 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think my last move was a thank you-move, because it allows N6, ah well.

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 7 3 5 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X 6 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Observers:
I hope I've read enough variations. :rambo:

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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 7 3 5 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . X 6 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$cm31 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . . . O . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 7 3 5 . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O 9 X 6 2 4 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 0 8 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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