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marvin · #1

Was the opponent's(Black) choice of last joseki good?

And what to do now?

logan · #2

Last joseki for Black was fine, but k4 was the wrong direction.

White can continue d6.

SmoothOper · #3

logan wrote:

Last joseki for Black was fine, but k4 was the wrong direction.

White can continue d6.

I don't know about the black 34 approach, I don't think it is considered joseki, I have played it myself in the past, with decent results I would add, but it seems not recommended at pro level so I stopped doing it. I sometimes see players pull this against my San-San, which is pretty much the same formation, and definitely isn't joseki, but it may only cost a few points, and not really be noticed as a mistake if one isn't playing at a certain level, plus I'm not sure exactly how to respond so, it has that advantage.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B A normal joseki or not? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 4 2 5 . . . . , . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

logan · #4

He asked about the last joseki.

marvin · #5

Yes, I was asking about joseki around move 19.

Black plays G5... How to continue?

lovelove · #6

White G3 is not joseki. Study more joseki.

SoDesuNe · #7

Although G3 was played by professionals, it does not happen very often.

You can get a first impression of the Joseki here: http://dailyjoseki.com/browse/bwpwxibwnwwmbxjwvsbwo

But even better when you look it up in a Joseki dictionary.

marvin · #8

Thank you all for answers. I thought i saw it in Get strong at joseki 3. But now I see the problem with it(G3)

ez4u · #9

G3 is a play when there are already other stones close by. Below the exchange of 1 for 2 finishes things locally and White turns elsewhere...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Zhang Wendong 8d - Wang Guanjun 7d, 1992 Chinese Promotion Tournament, 1992-07-10 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . O X X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

With a wider corner descending at F2 or connecting at G5 are common alternatives:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc Sonoda Yuichi 9d - Cho Chikun 9d, 8th Tengen, 1982-09-16 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . 3 . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . X X . . . . . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Yi Ch'ang-ho 6d - Cho Hun-hyeon 9d, 3rd BC Card Cup Final, 1993-05-29 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . X . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . 1 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 0 . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . X X X O . | $$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . O . O O O . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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