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Post #181 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:51 am 
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Thank you : )
Here are two more pictures from the sides.

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Regarding the floor, my best guess would be: Birch ^^

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Post #182 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:01 am 
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I proudly present my new Goban : )

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After editing this picture I figured that it does not really show much ^^ (Like the beautiful thickness) Anyways, you can have a look at the board at the Go Game Guru shop (http://shop.gogameguru.com/shin-kaya-go-board-24-c/). There you will also find my review.

In short: Great and the service is exemplary.


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Post #183 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:06 am 
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Thanks for the profile shots.
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Regarding the floor, my best guess would be: Birch ^^
Ah, it was already there before you arrived. :)

I highly recommend as an upgrade to your current ~8mm glass stones, these 10mm ING stones --
they are fantastic for the price, and match much better with your bowls and new board.

They feel great, they look great, they are weighted nicely, and for normal use, practically indestructible
(unlike glass stones which chip so easily on hard floors at coffee shops or bookstores).

I just wished it hadn't taken me 10 years to discover them -- I think they're much better
than even the US$100+ Japanese 10mm glass stones which they replaced (for the weekly Go evening
at Coffee Bean, and other non-home use -- but even for home use in your case, they're very nice.)

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Post #184 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:35 am 
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Ah, yes I know the ING-stones : ) We have them (among other stones) at our Go club. They are quite nice and easy to handle but I don't really like the look of them. Of course glass isn't great either, my stones have a lot of dents "already" and a few are even badly chipped (might have something to do with the constant smashing on the board after I first learnt to hold the stones properly : D).
Then again, I plan to visit Japan next year, who knows, maybe there are some beautiful slate and shell stones to be found ^^ (Although I propably can't afford them with 10mm : D)

...on the other hand, now I am curious how the ING-stones will look on my new board. I will ask at the Go club if I can borrow them in exchange for my glass stones this week ^^


post scriptum: Actually ~10mm slate and shell stones at KGT aren't as expensive as I thought (standard or moon grade) : )

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SoDesuNe wrote:
They are quite nice and easy to handle but I don't really like the look of them.
That was my initial reaction to them, for the past 10 years! Because I had only seen them at AGA tourneys,
and all of them were old and used and :o grey in color -- kind of icky --
but the new white stones are much whiter (kind of an off-white, a bit creamy), so much prettier! :)

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Post #186 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:32 am 
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Book                                                     First Run (correctly solved [%])                 Second Run
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 1     //     116 out of 123 problems [94%]      |      98 out of 123 problems [80%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 2     //     119 out of 123 problems [97%]      |     107 out of 123 problems [87%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 3     //      97 out of 123 problems [79%]      |      97 out of 123 problems [79%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 4     //     119 out of 123 problems [97%]      |     120 out of 123 problems [98%]     

Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 1    //     121 out of 123 problems [98%]      |     115 out of 123 problems [93%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 2    //     110 out of 123 problems [89%]      |     113 out of 123 problems [92%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 3    //     101 out of 123 problems [82%]      |     105 out of 123 problems [85%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 4    //      69 out of 123 problems [56%]      |      74 out of 123 problems [60%]   

Get Strong at the Opening                          //               n/a                      |     131 out of 175 problems [75%]
501 Opening Problems                               //               n/a                      |


Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 4 is now the first book which will be replaced in the next round. Replacement is - no surprise here - YCH's Tesuji Problems vol. 5.
Since the remaining three Tesuji books will most likely drop out after the next round, I plan to replace them with YCH's Tesuji Problems vol. 6 and Go/Segeo's Tesuji Dictionary vol. 1 and 2 (every problem category). YCH's Tsumego vol. 1 and 2 will most likely also drop out after next round, maybe even vol. 3. Here I will also take the fifth and sixth volume of the series and then 1000 Weiqi Problems.

Furthermore I will finish my second replaying of Shuei's games in volume three in the next days (right now I'm at game 17 of 19) and start the third and final run of volume four right after that.

I am bit inconsistent with my Joseki studies since I'm not really sure anymore how important that is (I've looked at the first 23 patterns - see this post). I can't say that I don't learn anything but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what I learn. I will continue for now because I want to read at least once about every Joseki I chose. I will decide later how to carry on.

Then I already decided to buy Final Summit from John Fairbairn after I finished (for the time being) with Shuei's games. I figured games between two of Shuei's admirers would fit perfectly and when one of them is Go Seigen, there is nothing what could go wrong : )

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Post #187 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:20 am 
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Considering You already spent some time on this practice regime, do You noticed any improvement in your go?

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Post #188 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:46 pm 
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Hm, it's hard to say. I consistently followed my study regime just a little over a month, so I don't expect wonders but I'm at least back at my old peak. Feeling-wise (as in making sense what happens on the board) I'm a lot stronger compared to my old peak but results have been inconclusive so far ; )

I'm definitely improving further but it's impossible to put a number on it - yet.

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Post #189 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:06 am 
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Book                                                     First Run (correctly solved [%])                 Second Run                                 Third Run
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 1     //     116 out of 123 problems [94%]      |      98 out of 123 problems [80%]      |     115 out of 123 problems [93%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 2     //     119 out of 123 problems [97%]      |     107 out of 123 problems [87%]      |     118 out of 123 problems [96%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 3     //      97 out of 123 problems [79%]      |      97 out of 123 problems [79%]      |
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tesuji Problems vol. 4     //     119 out of 123 problems [97%]      |     120 out of 123 problems [98%]      |

Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 1    //     121 out of 123 problems [98%]      |     115 out of 123 problems [93%]      |     120 out of 123 problems [98%]     
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 2    //     110 out of 123 problems [89%]      |     113 out of 123 problems [92%]      |     115 out of 123 problems [93%]
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 3    //     101 out of 123 problems [82%]      |     105 out of 123 problems [85%]      |
Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Selected Tsumego Problems Vol. 4    //      69 out of 123 problems [56%]      |      74 out of 123 problems [60%]      |

Get Strong at the Opening                          //               n/a                      |     131 out of 175 problems [75%]      |     144 out of 175 problems [82%]     
501 Opening Problems                               //               n/a                      |     340 out of 501 problems [68%]      |


Finished my second run. Took a little bit longer than expected since I had a busy last week. I also did not find time to replay Shuei's games, so I'm still just at game 9 from the forth volume.

From my Komoku-Joseki studies I have two patterns left. Maybe I will go ever them today. But I decided not to pursue the Joseki studies after that, at least not by replaying them from dictionaries. I really don't see the point, right now. I found some videos on Youtube, which explain Josekis more useful in my eyes. They explain by showing why it is bad to not follow the Joseki move (thus showing what the Joseki move aims at) and often also show follow-ups, which are at least as important as the Joseki itself, in my opinion.

At the moment I find it more entertaining to not "play by the book", so I don't play any special opening and I always low approach a Komoku on the third move to neglect any Fuseki my opponent tries to play. My reasoning is to play a game where the basics (big points, urgent points, attacking and defending, counting and so on) count, not how much time one spent memorizing stuff.

So, here we go again:
    1. YCH Tesuji vol. 1
    2. YCH L&D vol. 1
    3. Get Strong at the Opening
    4. YCH Tesuji vol. 2
    5. YCH L&D vol. 2
    6. YCH Tesuji vol. 3
    7. YCH L&D vol. 3
    8. YCH Tesuji vol. 5
    9. YCH L&D vol. 4
    10. 501 Opening Problems

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Post #190 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:28 pm 
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SoDesuNe, congrats. Clearly, the next logical step, in addition to recording the correctly solved percentages,
is to use a stopwatch and record the times it took you (in minutes and seconds).
(Got the idea from Charles Matthew...? Or another UK 6d person?)

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Post #191 Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:50 pm 
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Thank you =)

Hm, do you mean in total per book or do you mean per problem? The latter is way too troublesome for me to keep track off ^^ In the end I think it will slow down everything.

To keep track of the time I need to complete one book is doable. The only obstacle is that I don't have fix times where I solve problems. I mostly do chunks of five to twenty problems (depending on the difficulty) somewhere inbetween other things but to keep an eye on the time should be possible. Maybe I will finally establish at least one hour per day for problem solving (my dream would be two session of one hour each), then it will be easier but I'm so used to do this irregulary, I have the feeling I will miss my fix =D

The other thing is, now after solving all the books the second time I will most likely don't have anything to compare the times to when certain books drop out of the cycle after this run. Maybe it will be better to start this with new books like YCH Tesuji vol. 5

Then again, I already don't spend a lot of time on one problem (no more than 5 min, I think) because I don't believe in brute-forcing to become stronger and because it bores me otherwise. I think speed should not be a factor right now since I believe this will come naturally after solving a lot of problems and internalizing the shapes and vital points. To really are able to solve a problem is - right now - number one priority ^^

But well, couldn't harm to try it at least when I'm solving YCH Tesuji vol. 5, I guess =)

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In whatever divisions that you find convenient.
For example, if it takes me more than 10 minutes on a problem,
then it's not very useful to time, say, 20 such problems in a row. :)
But for me it may be useful if I start out with 50 minutes on 30 problems,
and later, after some effort, to cut it down to 30 minutes -- I'd feel nice about that.

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Post #193 Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:55 am 
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Okay, I'll see how it goes with YCH Tesuji vol. 5 : )

Since I now replay volume four of Shuei's games for the third time, I naturally came across certain games, which I like "more" than others. Mostly there is something almost magically (as in educational but too high for me to apply, so all I can do is drool in amazement) in them, which lets me grasp a tiny spark of Shuei's true strength...

The first game I came across and which still amazes me is this one against Osawa Ginjiro 5-dan. After 30 moves, Shuei (White) has two weak-ish groups, whereas Black already has secured two corners. After another 30 moves, Shuei has only one weak-ish group (although considerable stronger than before), an emerging Moyo in the bottom right, cut of some stones from Black to get the initiative, whereas Black still has only the two secured corners from before. After 100 moves, Fairbairn writes "White has more or less already erased the advantage of Black's handicap".
Talk about making a comeback : )

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Post #194 Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:10 am 
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I finished replaying The Games of Honinbo Shuei vol. 4 for the third time now and will start my final round of replaying vol. 3 shortly.

Here is one more game I really like from the fourth volume. Many interesting Tesujis with sacrifices and light play (especially the squeeze on the left and the play on the bottom and bottom right). Also very educational how Shuei treats his forcing moves at the top. Sadly he lost.

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Post #195 Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:51 pm 
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Since I visit the forum quite often on my smarthphone I saw that my code-thingy here was completely unreadable on lower resolution. So I made this shorter version.

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Book               1. Run (correctly solved [%])      2. Run                     3. Run
YCH Tesuji 1     //     116 / 123 [94%]      |      98 / 123 [80%]      |     115 / 123 [93%]
YCH Tesuji 2     //     119 / 123 [97%]      |     107 / 123 [87%]      |     118 / 123 [96%]
YCH Tesuji 3     //      97 / 123 [79%]      |      97 / 123 [79%]      |     107 / 123 [87%]
YCH Tesuji 4     //     119 / 123 [97%]      |     120 / 123 [98%]      |     - dropped out -
YCH Tesuji 5     //      75 / 123 [61%]      |

YCH Tsumego 1    //     121 / 123 [98%]      |     115 / 123 [93%]      |     120 / 123 [98%]     
YCH Tsumego 2    //     110 / 123 [89%]      |     113 / 123 [92%]      |     115 / 123 [93%]
YCH Tsumego 3    //     101 / 123 [82%]      |     105 / 123 [85%]      |     114 / 123 [93%]
YCH Tsumego 4    //      69 / 123 [56%]      |      74 / 123 [60%]      |      92 / 123 [75%]     

GS Opening       //        n/a               |     131 / 175 [75%]      |     144 / 175 [82%]     
501 Opening      //        n/a               |     340 / 501 [68%]      |


Furthermore here is one more game - this time from Games of Shuei vol. 3 - which I find particulary interesting. Coincidentally it is also one, which is regarded as Shuei's masterpiece.
I especially like White's light play in the Fuseki and later on how he he handled the group on the right. That he gave up the top to build his center was also remarkable, I wouldn't dare to give this points away but then again the commentary hints at quite some Aji in White's right side group, which I don't see.

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Post #196 Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:14 am 
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Two more educational games from Games of Shuei vol. 3:



In this one I really like how Black played calm and steady (most of the times). White did a good job of complicating matters but overall Black was keen of responding simple (yet strong) and tried to win with his two-stone-advantage. I love this style : )



The second game is in my opinion a wonderful example of how to attack. If you think you are up for a challenge, then go to move 100 and try to come up with White's next two moves : )

I'm solving YCH Tesuji vol. 5 right now but I forgot to take my times ^^ I'm again surprised, though, how many "simple" Tesujis I get wrong. More overlearning! :twisted:

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Funny, YCH Tesuji vol. 5 has quite a lot of Life-and-Death tesujis, it feels like a Tsumego book at the moment ^^ 32 problems still to go!

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I planned to do this earlier but I was away one week - and was only partly able to replay games (see photo) - sooo, finally, tomorrow I will finish the third and final run of Games of Shuei vol. 3 which concludes my take on Shuei's games for the moment - I plan to (re-)replay all the games in all volumes in the future, probably after finishing Final Summit and Kamakura (thrice).
Next week I will start with Final Summit. I'm pretty excited to see how the then best player of the time will play compared to Shuei, which he admired. Really thrilled : )

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Regarding my cycle:
I will finish my cycle for the third time in the next week, I assume. One book (YCH Tesuji vol. 4) already dropped out, because I scored over 95% twice and others will drop out after this run (YCH Tesuji vol. 2 and L&D vol. 1). Some books won't drop out because I still make too many mistakes but since I start - unconciously - memorizing the answers, I need to replace them temporarily and then solve them "fresh". To do this, I will start a new cycle after this third run, with new books (except YCH Tesuji vol. 5). Most likely it will look like this:
    1. Go/Segeo Tesuji Dict. 1
    2. YCH L&D vol. 5
    3. Go/Segeo Tesuji Dict. 2
    4. YCH L&D vol. 6
    5. Go/Segeo Tesuji Dict. 3
    6. 1000 Weiqi Problems
    7. YCH Tesuji vol. 5
    8. Xuanxuan Qi Jing / Gengen Gokyo
    9. YCH Tesuji vol. 6
    10. Weiqi Life-and-Death Drills vol. 1

I expect to fail miserably at the YCH Life-and-Death books but it will be good training ^^
After I completed this cycle once, I will go back to the old cycle and do all the books, which I couldn't score 95% or higher. And then this cycle. And so forth until books drop out again. I plan to do all the YCH books again, when all of them dropped out, just to check, but I guess this will be in the far future so nothing to bother with right now ^^

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Hi,

Can you post which simple tesuji problems keep giving you trouble?

How's your path to 1-dan going?

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P.S. Your list seems out of order of increasing difficulty of the problem sets. Also, Gokyo Shumyo is easier than XXQJ, you may want to consider doing it before. It's good that your changing up your books instead of hammering your head against the same succeeded & failed problems.

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Here are three examples:
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I feel the problems should be really elementary for my level (especially the first one) but in the first two I missed White's strongest counter and in the last one I played the wrong order of moves (didn't count the liberties accurately).

1-dan, hmm, still not sure. I will start playing on KGS again next week, so I guess we will see. But I'm able to play good games on 3H against a EGF 3-dan, so I'm hoping for the best : D

Yes, you are right, the difficulty is a bit out of order. My problem is that I don't want to start with YCH Tesuji vol. 5 because I just solved it, so the memory might still be too fresh. Maybe I will change the order of Weiqi Life-and-Death Drills vol. 1 and the classic problems collection.
I always thought the Gengen Gokyo was the easiest of the classical problem collections ^^ I will of course take the Gokyo Shumyo then.

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