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hyperpape · **#21**

SmoothOper wrote:

Intuitively, we want to avoid work whenever and wherever possible.

You maybe. And I've felt that way in the past. Today, I rather like work.

Kirby · **#22**

John Fairbairn wrote:

A few points:
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2. Some of the meanings ascribed here are cases of western ideas being foisted on the Japanese term. In particular, bringing 能率 and　効率 (efficiency) into the equation is misleading. As the 率 in these words implies, they measure something (the utility factor). Definitions of hataraku by a Japanese would not use these words. He would describe it using words like 作用 (action/function) or　効果 (effect(iveness)/result).

I think that 能率 and　効率 can be used in go, as we've seen from examples. I agree that they're not the same as hataraku - maybe I should have read the OP more carefully if we were focusing on a definition of hataraku. I thought the conversation was branching into a discussion of 能率 vs.　効率, which is what I was aiming at in my comments on this. And sure, these are not the same as words like 効果; rather something like 効率 can measure the proportion of 効果 to the amount expended to obtain it.

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